News Article: Habs hires Team 33 (new pro scouting service)

[Whitesnake]

The Canadiens partner with new scouting service ahead of draft and free agency

Team 33, a new independent scouting service, will provide the Canadiens with new, innovative data on big decisions to come.

theathletic.com

As soon as Jeff Gorton arrived, and even more so after Kent Hughes was hired two months later, the change in the tone and approach of the Canadiens compared to the previous administration was striking. Whether it was an outside the box hire behind the bench, integrating an innovative player development expert, the association with Marie-Philip Poulin, or even beginning the process of building a full analytics department, there was a strong impression that the Canadiens wanted to leave the old school behind them and enter the modern era.....

Click to read more...

 

[BLONG7]

Very interesting...
Progressive thinking for sure.
Can you post the article, it wont let me access it............assuming you have to pay to have the Athletic?

 

[HomaridII]

Ooooh that's very interesting.

 

[_habsfan9]

is this Patrick Roy's new scouting service lol?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

The Canadiens partner with new scouting service ahead of draft and free agency

Team 33, a new independent scouting service, will provide the Canadiens with new, innovative data on big decisions to come.

theathletic.com

can you quote the article most of us dont have the Atletic

 

[HomaridII]

Very interesting...
Progressive thinking for sure.
Can you post the article, it wont let me access it............assuming you have to pay to have the Athletic?

Yes.

Basically Team 33 was created by Mike Santos, ex assistant GM in 3 NHL teams. Its brand new, started prior to this season. They hire pro scouts who attend games and give qualitative scouting reports but also quantitative. These then get added into the single value called "Team 33 Value", a single overall grade for each player taking into account his performance, age, progression curve, injury history, salary etc... They also estimate example X player in SHL with a grade of Y would be a grade of Z in the NHL.

Its new, its not universally accepted, this single value grade and some people wonder its value if every team will have access to it. And will teams have access to the underlying aggregate date.

That's it.

delete

Its not analytics, See my brief summary above.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Yes.

Basically Team 33 was created by Mike Santos, ex assistant GM in 3 NHL teams. Its brand new, started prior to this season. They hire pro scouts who attend games and give qualitative scouting reports but also quantitative. These then get added into the single value called "Team 33 Value", a single overall grade for each player taking into account his performance, age, progression curve, injury history, salary etc... They also estimate example X player in SHL with a grade of Y would be a grade of Z in the NHL.

Its new, its not universally accepted, this single value grade and some people wonder its value if every team will have access to it. And will teams have access to the underlying aggregate date.

That's it.


Its not analytics, See my brief summary above.

I saw the edit in OP, deleted my post.

 

[BLONG7]

delete

Somewhat agree..............think you need both.
The old school eye test, but if the info is available to help you make a decision, it also should be factored.

 

[Wats]

They're going complete opposite route to Bergevin, hopefully the results are also complete opposite. Montreal finally flexing a bit of their big market advantages of budget.

 

[Schooner Guy]

The Canadiens partner with new scouting service ahead of draft and free agency

Team 33, a new independent scouting service, will provide the Canadiens with new, innovative data on big decisions to come.

theathletic.com

can you quote the article most of us dont have the Atlantic

We shouldn't be copying and pasting articles from sources that survive off subscriptions such as The Athletic. Pretty sure that's breaking forum rules as well.

 

[salbutera]

is this Patrick Roy's new scouting service lol?

No former AGM Mike Santos’ new business venture

It’s an ok stop gap till Chris Boucher fills out his analytics org

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Interesting ! Another progressive thinking move for HuGo. Makes sense too, since they won't be able to fill out the scouting department with people from other orgs until after this draft. They're definitely trying very hard to have as much intel as possible.

 

[HomaridII]

We shouldn't be copying and pasting articles from sources that survive off subscriptions such as The Athletic. Pretty sure that's breaking forum rules as well.

This is why I only do brief summaries of any article from a subscription service.

 

[montreal]

Very interesting...
Progressive thinking for sure.
Can you post the article, it wont let me access it............assuming you have to pay to have the Athletic?

that's against the copyright rules of the site. Right now the Athletic is charging 1 dollar a month US for 6 months, cancel at anytime.

can you quote the article most of us dont have the Atletic

against the rules.

We shouldn't be copying and pasting articles from sources that survive off subscriptions such as The Athletic. Pretty sure that's breaking forum rules as well.

correct!

 

[Colezuki]

Interesting article, like the concept which is there trying to create a scoring system similar to WAR for teams, there also able to go deeper on single teams as instead of 1 team paying them they have multiple. Sounds like it's more focused on the Pro side vs. Amateur though

 

[schwang26]

Do they work in Europe where the Habs scouting has been atrocious for decades?

 

[Colezuki]

Do they work in Europe where the Habs scouting has been atrocious for decades?

Pro scouting by the sounds of it as opposed to Amateur

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Very interesting...
Progressive thinking for sure.
Can you post the article, it wont let me access it............assuming you have to pay to have the Athletic?

Right click is a good friend.

 

[HomaridII]

Do they work in Europe where the Habs scouting has been atrocious for decades?

Yes they do. THey give score for the player in the European league and a score of how that player would translate in the NHL.

 

[Runner77]

I wonder which other NHL teams are using the service.

 

[DailyKaizen]

Somewhat agree..............think you need both.
The old school eye test, but if the info is available to help you make a decision, it also should be factored.

One area that seems to be woefully under-developed for sport is mental/psychological assessment etc

 

[schwang26]

One area that seems to be woefully under-developed for sport is mental/psychological assessment etc

For the world in general actually

 

[HomaridII]

I wonder which other NHL teams are using the service.

Four NHL teams, including Montreal and Anaheim. Its $100k per year. They employ 18 scouts worldwide.

NHL teams can filter things like, give me all the centers below 25 with a Team 33 score above XYZ worldwide. Then scout the players themselves. Its intended to complement an NHL team's scouting team.

 

[morhilane]

I wonder which other NHL teams are using the service.

Anaheim + two others that were not mentioned.

 

[CHarlie]

Very Cool