Post-Game Talk: Habs get creamed, again

[beaverBFP]

How is Chuck Galchenyuk being misused?

He's transitioning to center, you suggest hanging him out there to dry against top lines? He's playing sheltered minutes, mostly against 3rd and 4th lines and getting offensive zone starts. Plus he's getting quality PP time. That's exactly how he should be used.

I totally understand what you mean by MT being careful of who he matches him up against and it makes sense in a transitioning phase, but some games you just have to realize who your best player is out there and give him extra minutes. He's been our best player in a lot of the games in this slump.

 

[Monctonscout]

Can someone please explain this to me please?
Eller 17:48 (1:51PP and 1:28 PK)
DD 17:29 TOI (2 :57 PP and 0 :07 PK)
Byron 17:26 TOI (2 :08 PK)
Pacioretty 16 :49 TOI (3 :36 PP and 0 :03 PK.)
Fleischman 16:42 TOI (0:29 TOI and 1:23 PK)
Weise 16:11 TOI (2:09 PP)
Chucky 15:03 TOI (2:10 PP)
McCarron 5:58 (If you’re not going to play him send him back)

Why isn’t Patches playing more on the PK? He plays well with Pleky
How can DD, Byron, Fleischman and Weise get MORE ice time than Chucky?

DD was -3 last night and will probably still be playing on the 1st line tonight. While watching DD on the ice last night, the only thing I could see is him on his ass.

My issue with McCarron is they brought him up and used him at a position he hasn't played all year. If they just wanted a winger, dress Hudon or Andrighetto.

Plekanec played "1st line" with 18:24. Saying Deshaisnais is "1st line" because he plays with Pacioretty is dumb since Pacioretty is playing terrible the last 3+ weeks.

 

[blarneylad]

My issue with McCarron is they brought him up and used him at a position he hasn't played all year. If they just wanted a winger, dress Hudon or Andrighetto.

Plekanec played "1st line" with 18:24. Saying Deshaisnais is "1st line" because he plays with Pacioretty is dumb since Pacioretty is playing terrible the last 3+ weeks.

Also of note is that McCarron wouldn't be playing at all if in St. Johns as they are off until after x-mas

 

[waffledave]

Stop blaming the goalies, that's such a ****ing Michel Therrien ******** excuse.

Things fell apart last night in the 3rd period. The team had plenty of time to score even one ****ing goal before that and failed. You can't blame a goalie for losing it after 2 straight periods of nothing from the rest of the team.

"But we outplayed them!! We outshot them!!"... Whatever other nonsense bull **** you want to parrot from this idiot coach, go ahead... For all the outplaying they did they couldn't even score one goal until late in the game.

Scoring is why this team is losing. They are back to last year, not able to score, tons of shots with nothing to show for it. Can't score on the PP.

How many years in a row is it now with the EXACT SAME ****ING PROBLEM and the SAME GUY REMAINS IN CHARGE???

 

[beowulf]

I can't blame Condon, I think he is just not use to this much work and the fact the team is not playing great in front of him does not help. I just hope this experience makes him stronger in the long term and does not kill his confidence.

 

[LaP]

Worst part about big Mac's usage... His last shift (or at least last time I noticed him on the ice), he took the puck hard to net, dman contact led to him crashing into rinne.

No penalty, praise from commentators, suprisingly no/little response from preds dmen (if Gally had done the same, he'd have had all 5 preds face washing & jabbing him post whistle)...

EXACTLY what we needed more of last night, what this team needs in general, what Big Mac needs to do to be an impact NHLer.

Kid does just what he's supposed to, & MT rewards him by gluing him to the bench, in a blowout loss.

Just plain stupid.

MT likes grind. 6'5+ guys almost all look lazy. Chara does. LeClair did. It's very hard to look like you're grinding when you are 6'5. A lot easier when you're 5'6. MT always had a little something for 5'6-5'7 guys. He just can't help. Mac probably has no future under MT. Not enough grind.

 

[Sword]

Are we going to blame Condon tonight after we lose and fail to score more than 2 goals? They were playing badly because they did not have confidence in Toker? Give me a break. The coach sucks and the puck luck we had earlier is gone.

The Habs will be a better team when MT, Max Pac, Markov and Plekanec are gone. Players who never show any kind of leadership.

 

[Monctonscout]

I totally understand what you mean by MT being careful of who he matches him up against and it makes sense in a transitioning phase, but some games you just have to realize who your best player is out there and give him extra minutes. He's been our best player in a lot of the games in this slump.

Galchenyuk is not our best player, not even close.

 

[beaverBFP]

Galchenyuk is not our best player, not even close.

I meant on a game to game basis.

 

[Rapala]

Galchenyuk is not our best player, not even close.

No that would be DD.
Why don't you go ahead and rate our players top to bottom so we can understand better.

 

[LaP]

Stop blaming the goalies, that's such a ****ing Michel Therrien ******** excuse.

Few people blame the goalies only. But there's somewhere in between blaming the goalies and saying they are not bad. Cause they are. The whole team is bad including the goalies. The difference is Price will solve the goalies issue when he'll come back and nobody will solve the offense problem. Gallagher wont be enough the beginning of the season was a fluke. It's usually a sign the coach has lost his room when everyone is bad like right now.

 

[Canadian_Brewtality]

Stop blaming the goalies, that's such a ****ing Michel Therrien ******** excuse.

Things fell apart last night in the 3rd period. The team had plenty of time to score even one ****ing goal before that and failed. You can't blame a goalie for losing it after 2 straight periods of nothing from the rest of the team.

"But we outplayed them!! We outshot them!!"... Whatever other nonsense bull **** you want to parrot from this idiot coach, go ahead... For all the outplaying they did they couldn't even score one goal until late in the game.

Scoring is why this team is losing. They are back to last year, not able to score, tons of shots with nothing to show for it. Can't score on the PP.

How many years in a row is it now with the EXACT SAME ****ING PROBLEM and the SAME GUY REMAINS IN CHARGE???

actually its factual if you ever played hockey. When youre playing well and looking for confidence and your goalie gives up back-breaking goals every game, you are cooked.

Clearly the habs have 0 confidence in the most important position on the team.

In your opinion, blaming goaltending is an excuse, so we should all blame the coach instead? Nice logic there

I for one am not concerned. Once Price gets back, it will balance itself out

 

[Canadian_Brewtality]

this is the type of situation where a good fight could turn the game/slump around.

Except that does not happen anymore in today's NHL

 

[Smokey Thompson]

actually its factual if you ever played hockey. When youre playing well and looking for confidence and your goalie gives up back-breaking goals every game, you are cooked.

Clearly the habs have 0 confidence in the most important position on the team.

In your opinion, blaming goaltending is an excuse, so we should all blame the coach instead? Nice logic there

I for one am not concerned. Once Price gets back, it will balance itself out

We've been blaming Therrien for our complete lack of offense for the past 2 years, but he survived thanks to .935 save percentage from Price. He's finally exposed.

 

[Sword]

actually its factual if you ever played hockey. When youre playing well and looking for confidence and your goalie gives up back-breaking goals every game, you are cooked.

Clearly the habs have 0 confidence in the most important position on the team.

In your opinion, blaming goaltending is an excuse, so we should all blame the coach instead? Nice logic there

I for one am not concerned. Once Price gets back, it will balance itself out

I agree, we'll start winning again, make the playoffs and if we're lucky, win 2 rounds. That's as far as we can go with the current leaders and management.

 

[waffledave]

actually its factual if you ever played hockey. When youre playing well and looking for confidence and your goalie gives up back-breaking goals every game, you are cooked.

Clearly the habs have 0 confidence in the most important position on the team.

In your opinion, blaming goaltending is an excuse, so we should all blame the coach instead? Nice logic there

I for one am not concerned. Once Price gets back, it will balance itself out

So when the score is 0-0 or 0-1 they are soooo lacking confidence in the goalie that they can't score despite apparently "outshooting and outplaying" the opposition (as per the coach and many cheerleaders on this website)?

Those shots just aren't going straight cause their hands must be shaking from fear!

If the coach isn't responsible for the inability to score for YEARS and the inability to score on the PP for YEARS then who is? Are they so scared with Tokarski sitting on the bench that even when Price is in nets it affects them?

 

[FloJack]

We've been blaming Therrien for our complete lack of offense for the past 2 years, but he survived thanks to .935 save percentage from Price. He's finally exposed.

It's further than that though, it's more about how he's reacting to the worst situation he's faced in his second stint as the Habs coach. He's scrambling like crazy and it's so obvious. It has shown a clear lack of plan IMO, while further exposing his lack of creativity. All of the stereotypes about him have been on display with a spotlight on them during the last month.

 

[sandysan]

this is the type of situation where a good fight could turn the game/slump around.

Except that does not happen anymore in today's NHL

who is gonna throw on the habs ? the " beaulieu is a toughie" crowd from last year died down quick. you want tinordi to risk it again ?

fights still happen in today's NHL, just not with uber soft teams. Our last " fight" was torrie mitchell who had a hug fest with a career AHL guy who layed a questionable hit on pk. oh and it was his first game back from IR.

if push comes to shove ( or perhaps when) we are screwed.

 

[sandysan]

So when the score is 0-0 or 0-1 they are soooo lacking confidence in the goalie that they can't score despite apparently "outshooting and outplaying" the opposition (as per the coach and many cheerleaders on this website)?

Those shots just aren't going straight cause their hands must be shaking from fear!

If the coach isn't responsible for the inability to score for YEARS and the inability to score on the PP for YEARS then who is? Are they so scared with Tokarski sitting on the bench that even when Price is in nets it affects them?

we played great 0-0 and not so great after going down 1-0. We could have regrouped and built off of the first period where we did way more good than bad, EVEN WITHOUT THE RESULTS.

First shot in the second, the red light goes on and our goose it cooked.

 

[mrcontractor*]

Few people blame the goalies only. But there's somewhere in between blaming the goalies and saying they are not bad. Cause they are. The whole team is bad including the goalies. The difference is Price will solve the goalies issue when he'll come back and nobody will solve the offense problem. Gallagher wont be enough the beginning of the season was a fluke. It's usually a sign the coach has lost his room when everyone is bad like right now.

You're saying what I said yesterday and have been saying since last year. Price is basically the team most of the time. Sure we have a few good players, but overall the team isn't built well. One first line player, a couple of 2nd line players and a whack of 3rd and 4th liners, not even to mention some AHL players. We have almost nothing in the AHL as far as first or second line players and for a team building from within, that's concerning.

 

[Sword]

we played great 0-0 and not so great after going down 1-0. We could have regrouped and built off of the first period where we did way more good than bad, EVEN WITHOUT THE RESULTS.

First shot in the second, the red light goes on and our goose it cooked.

We should score first then.

 

[sampollock]

WE NEED help, and fast

 

[417]

How is Chuck Galchenyuk being misused?

He's transitioning to center, you suggest hanging him out there to dry against top lines? He's playing sheltered minutes, mostly against 3rd and 4th lines and getting offensive zone starts. Plus he's getting quality PP time. That's exactly how he should be used.

Not sure what the difference is between playing Galchenyuk in those situations or Desharnais or anyone else for that matter.

Why does Galchenyuk, who's in his 4th year mind you, have to be sheletered? How long are the Habs going to continue to hide Galchenyuk in favor of lesser players with perceived superior defensive acumen?

He's been sheltered from the moment he stepped on the ice...enough already

 

[zeeto]

Not sure what the difference is between playing Galchenyuk in those situations or Desharnais or anyone else for that matter.

Why does Galchenyuk, who's in his 4th year mind you, have to be sheletered? How long are the Habs going to continue to hide Galchenyuk in favor of lesser players with perceived superior defensive acumen?

He's been sheltered from the moment he stepped on the ice...enough already

 

[groovejuice]

Stop blaming the goalies, that's such a ****ing Michel Therrien ******** excuse.

Things fell apart last night in the 3rd period. The team had plenty of time to score even one ****ing goal before that and failed. You can't blame a goalie for losing it after 2 straight periods of nothing from the rest of the team.

"But we outplayed them!! We outshot them!!"... Whatever other nonsense bull **** you want to parrot from this idiot coach, go ahead... For all the outplaying they did they couldn't even score one goal until late in the game.

Scoring is why this team is losing. They are back to last year, not able to score, tons of shots with nothing to show for it. Can't score on the PP.

How many years in a row is it now with the EXACT SAME ****ING PROBLEM and the SAME GUY REMAINS IN CHARGE???

There's actually a lot of reasons why the team is losing. Look, I'm not a fan of Therrien. But the injuries to our best players is primary.

The rest is only rhetoric.