Habs D Chart

[Capitano]

This is exactly why we should be adding to the pile, not removing from the pile. The last team to have a MVP caliber goaltender was Boston, and... LOOK AT THAT... They had no elite center.

I swear this ****ing obsession with a number one center is driving me nuts.

I agree with you, but MB is adding a bunch of muckers to the pile instead of substance. He has to decide if we're contenders or not...because if we're constantly in transition Markov will be 39 before you know it and worth pretty much what Gonchar was worth.

If we're contenders, time to get it done. Signing Petry was a great start...it needed to be done...now he needs to improve the top 6...and I don't mean another bandaid solution like PAP is.

If not, then we're better off trading our older guys for younger guys just starting to come to their potential.

 

[Monctonscout]

This again. Ten goals, 50 points regular season. We have now solidified the D and we trade Markov? Who has a NTC I am guessing.

What we do is play him 20 min. a game in the regular season instead of 25 min. so he has gas in the tank for the play-offs.

This.

Pretty much nails it.

If you trade Markov you just open up another hole that has to be filled.

Like you said I would cut his minutes and limit his PK time, so he has less wear and tear...he's in great shape and durable, but the blocked shots and hits add up especially when playing 23-24 minutes a night at 35-36.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I actually think our center depth is alright. This year we could have:

Galchenyuk (if he's used as a number one he's going to get 65 points at least)
Eller/Pleks
Pleks/Eller
DLR

That is a good group down the middle. Pleks isn't going to scare anyone but he provides good depth. We could give more minutes to Eller as well. DLR would be good learning his way on the 4th. Personally I see that as a solid group. We don't have the stars down the middle that others do but there's good depth there. I think our real priority is on the right side.

It's too bad Babcock came over because now I think the Leafs won't move Kessel. He's actually somebody I would've targeted.

 

[Richiebottles]

I actually think our center depth is alright. This year we could have:

Galchenyuk (if he's used as a number one he's going to get 65 points at least)
Eller/Pleks
Pleks/Eller
DLR

That is a good group down the middle. Pleks isn't going to scare anyone but he provides good depth. We could give more minutes to Eller as well. DLR would be good learning his way on the 4th. Personally I see that as a solid group. We don't have the stars down the middle that others do but there's good depth there. I think our real priority is on the right side.

It's too bad Babcock came over because now I think the Leafs won't move Kessel. He's actually somebody I would've targeted.

I would love it if we could add Brad Richards on the cheap and trade Pleks for help on the wing.

 

[WeThreeKings]

This is exactly why we should be adding to the pile, not removing from the pile. The last team to have a MVP caliber goaltender was Boston, and... LOOK AT THAT... They had no elite center.

I swear this ****ing obsession with a number one center is driving me nuts.

They had Krejci-Bergeron

Krejci was very good that play-offs.

You might not need an elite center.. but you need one that can produce in the play-offs.. One who can, isn't playing center, the other who has, isn't getting the line-mates or minutes..

All we need is Galchenyuk to play the Krejci role and Eller to play the Bergeron role

Instead we play DD in the Krejci Role and Pleks in the Bergeron role.

 

[Mrb1p]

I agree with you, but MB is adding a bunch of muckers to the pile instead of substance. He has to decide if we're contenders or not...because if we're constantly in transition Markov will be 39 before you know it and worth pretty much what Gonchar was worth.

If we're contenders, time to get it done. Signing Petry was a great start...it needed to be done...now he needs to improve the top 6...and I don't mean another bandaid solution like PAP is.

If not, then we're better off trading our older guys for younger guys just starting to come to their potential.

Yes. It's exactly why I've hoped on the Anti-Bergy trend. The guy has done squat and the transition thing has to stop. It was cute in the first season, but it's clear to everyone and their mothers that we are wasting prime years of Price, Subban and Patches.

 

[ThaDevilGirl]

You only trade Markov if someone overpays for him... Which doesn't seem likely. In the meantime, you play him 18-20 minutes tops, 2nd pairing duties. Less PK time too.

 

[Alex514]

My bad folks, after having read the details of his contract (Markov's) he only had a full NTC in his first year and provided a list of 12 teams he is willing to be traded to. But I still think he'd like to stay...

 

[PricePkPatch*]

Play him with Petry for limited minutes, against tough opposition.

Make Subban and Beaulieu eat lots of minutes against a mix of tough and average competition.

Keep Markov fresh, develop Beaulieu to play with Subby. Increase the B-S opposition alongside Beaulieu's develop, and use M-P as your steam valve.

 

[habs03]

My bad folks, after having read the details of his contract (Markov's) he only had a full NTC in his first year and provided a list of 12 teams he is willing to be traded to. But I still think he'd like to stay...

Do you mind me asking where you got that info.

I'd like to read the info on Emelin contract, people mention the has a NTC but I very very very doubt its a full NTC, just like in Petry case where he got a NTC I doubt its a full NTC

 

[WeThreeKings]

Can someone pls explain Tinordis waiver situation

He has to clear waivers to go to the AHL.

Meaning, he plays with us or he's traded.

 

[Mrb1p]

They had Krejci-Bergeron

Krejci was very good that play-offs.

You might not need an elite center.. but you need one that can produce in the play-offs.. One who can, isn't playing center, the other who has, isn't getting the line-mates or minutes..

All we need is Galchenyuk to play the Krejci role and Eller to play the Bergeron role

Instead we play DD in the Krejci Role and Pleks in the Bergeron role.

Krejci and Bergy are two numbers ones, IMO. But they're still not elite. It's on the management if were not winning anything.

 

[CGG]

Gilbert is the obvious answer. Right shot. Will be in demand. If you trade Emelin and Markov falters / retires our left side is extremely thin.

Bergy will go with Tinordi as the 7th, then sign 1 or 2 cheap unwanted AHL/NHL tweeners for depth.

 

[MXD]

I was about to say that Tinordi could start with the Habs on the 3rd pairing, but then I realized that giving him an appropriate workload would imply giving too much minutes to Markov or Beaulieu.

 

[Naoned]

He's got more value to us than in a trade. Take him off the PK completely and limit his minutes so he'll be closer to 20 a game and he'll be fine.

He was awesome in the regular season, let Beaulieu take some of his icetime away and he'll be fine.

That's exactly what I'm thinking.

 

[angry pirate]

I think if MB can find a partner, Emelin will be the odd man out. He's paid to be a middle pairing guy and Beaulieu has surpassed him on the depth chart in my opinion. Not great cap management to have a 4 Million guy playing as your #5.

Markov -Subban
Beaulieu - Petry
Gilbert - Pateryn
Tinordi

Gilbert's contract is easier to move, so if Emelin can't be moved, I'd say he'll be MB second choice to go.

 

[Alex514]

Do you mind me asking where you got that info.

I'd like to read the info on Emelin contract, people mention the has a NTC but I very very very doubt its a full NTC, just like in Petry case where he got a NTC I doubt its a full NTC

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=723515

 

[Blackshad]

Emelin has a NTC guys..

 

[Kraken Jokes]

In order of likelyhood:

1. Gilbert
2. Emelin
3. Tinordi
4. Beaulieu
5. Markov
6. Pateryn
7. Petry
8. Subban

If it's for a pick, just to make room for Tinordi, then Gilbert will go. But if it's a hockey move, and we're trying to move a d-man to improve our forward group, Emelin or Tinordi have more value. Beaulieu is not likely to be moved at all but if we're aiming a little higher for talent then that could be the cost.

 

[Brainiac]

Look up NHL.com stats page. Markov was #11 last year in TOI (total). Most of the guys over him are under 30. No sane coach would play a 36 years old 25 min/game on a nightly basis.

The one thing we really need to do is stop playing him on the penalty kill. Since he's still very useful on the PP and those are easy minutes that's fine. Then just manage his ES minutes so he ends up playing no more than 20 min. per game.

Sad thing is, we know Therrien doesn't understand that.

Oh and, as usual: NTC. He wants to stay here. The best you'd get is a prospect and a pick.

 

[montreal]

Is it time to pull a Rivet with Agent79? Discuss

I would trade Gilbert or Emelin before Markov, to me there's no one close to being able to take over Markov's ice time. We have a very good top 3 but they need to reduce his work load so he's not done by the time the playoffs roll around.

 

[the]

The General ended up 11th in the league in the points department for the defensemen and you want to trade him? The guy was playing the whole season like he was still in his prime. I don't know what some of you guys are smoking but Petry and Beaulieu arent going to replace Markov.

Who do you want to replace him with? Some people around here are underrating his work. 3 years ago, people where saying that he was done. They were wrong and are still wrong today. Markov is not the issue, his minutes are.

 

[Blackshad]

The General ended up 11th in the league in the points department for the defensemen and you want to trade him? The guy was playing the whole season like he was still in his prime. I don't know what some of you guys are smoking but Petry and Beaulieu arent going to replace Markov.

Who do you want to replace him with? Some people around here are underrating his work. 3 years ago, people where saying that he was done. They were wrong and are still wrong today. Markov is not the issue, his minutes are.

Bingo! Exactly.

 

[Sam I Am]

Gilbert is paid 2.8!?? Ouch thats a lot for a guy who's going to be 6-7th on the depth chart...

Emelin has more value, which is why he might get traded instead but really, I hope they move Gilbert.

Habs are very thin on the left side. Makes no sense to trade Emelin and keep Gilbert to play on his off side. Much rather trade Gilbert if need be.

 

[smirob]

Habs are very thin on the left side. Makes no sense to trade Emelin and keep Gilbert to play on his off side. Much rather trade Gilbert if need be.

Beaulieu Subban
Markov Petry

I don't think it's great to have a 4.1M $ dman on our 3rd pairing.