LeBrun: Guessing Tyson Barrie will ask 8M At Least. Has Become a “Big Fan” of Toronto

[TBF1972]

I grant that for sure. In fact, I don't believe it to be disputable. However, not getting below market value doesn't mean overpaid nor does it represent a proclivity to overpay generally. I agree that Mackinnon, Jones and Slavin are excellent.

Comparing their contracts to the Draisaitl deal (in the first year of the contract) should make it obvious, that I don't consider them bad contracts. But it would also be a little bit overly optimistic to expect all three players to develop with the same trajectory, as Draisaitl has in the last two seasons.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Not sure I'd want him back even at his current salary of 5.5m.

I don't think he'll find any takers at 8m.

 

[filthyMitz]

The topic of discussion here isn’t discounting what a panel member says. This conversation started with you saying there is a difference between what the panel members say and what a fan on HF boards says.

Then sorry but. Don’t understand what point you are trying to convey. A poster made an outlandish claim that the number thrown out is absolutely worthless and we might as well say Barrie will get 3 million. I came in saying that his point has no merit and that we should take the rumours as face especially where this doesn’t seem to be a case of a random number being thrown around but a reported ask

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Then sorry but. Don’t understand what point you are trying to convey. A poster made an outlandish claim that the number thrown out is absolutely worthless and we might as well say Barrie will get 3 million. I came in saying that his point has no merit and that we should take the rumours as face especially where this doesn’t seem to be a case of a random number being thrown around but a reported ask

It’s not a reported ask. This is exactly the problem. LeBrun is GUESSING, it is not something he HEARD. Therefore, it is only as worthy as anyone else’s opinion on the board, and that is what poster your replied to what saying.

 

[filthyMitz]

It’s not a reported ask. This is exactly the problem. LeBrun is GUESSING, it is not something he HEARD. Therefore, it is only as worthy as anyone else’s opinion on the board, and that is what poster your replied to what saying.

I say REPORTED in the sense that it is a quote from a reporter, I understand that it is a guess. It’s just crazy to me that you believe that any random person can make a claim on the topic of hockey and contracts and be just as reliable as Lebrun. Based off the numbers you said in a previous reply (5.5) and what the original poster I replied to said (3) I think it’s fair to say that shouldn’t be the case.

 

[innitfam]

The Leafs can and will give it to him

 

[Commander Clueless]

While he has been pacing well on points, $8M seems like a terrible idea for a team that is top heavy in salary and has upcoming contracts for Rielly and Andersen to consider.

I like Barrie a lot (especially since Keefe took over), but I think he might not be a great fit in Toronto long term. I think the Leafs need someone who is better defensively in that spot.

Given Barrie's historical point totals and point pace after the coaching change, I could see some teams willing to shell out big bucks for Barrie. I don't think Toronto should be one of them, unless they are planning on moving Nylander or Rielly in exchange.

 

[ricky0034]

Amazing how many players there are that want to play in Toronto but also want to bend them over on contract negotiations. Players want to play there but they also don't want to take a personal cut to help the team win.

why would anyone want to take a pay cut to stay when they look around and see how much money their teammates are making?

 

[GrumpyKelly]

Yandle got couple of years ago 6.4 x 7. Same age, similar player. Can't see Barrie getting anything less than 7-7.5 x 7.

 

[Recipe Unlimited]

No just in general. Lots of you guys are alright, but with having as much as you do, you inflate every player to the top of every talk and take attention away from anyone else, would be nice for the leafs to sign a bad contract that they cant defend for once.

Remember Clarkson?

 

[Rogue Leader]

No wonder he likes Keefe ... he revived his career.

 

[bert]

Lol at everyone that is calling him Gardiner. He is a way better player, I dont see how he fits into their salary structure at 8 million though.

Someone will pay him not sure it will be 8 but he likely gets 7 with term.

 

[Number 57]

They do have a bit of cap space with guys like Ceci coming off the books and maybe a Kapanen/Johnsson trade. Rielly and Andersen are cheap for what they bring and the Leafs have a lot of kids on ELC that can play roles. I believe they can afford to keep one of Muzzin/Barrie and sign one or two vets in free agency for around $1.5M or so. The only raise they have to give this summer is Mikheyev and it wont even be that much.

Between both I think Dubas goes with Muzzin, since he already has Rielly and Dermott as puck-movers plus Sandin/Liljegren who will likely both play next season too. Rielly, Muzzin, Holl, Dermott, Sandin, Liljegren is a pretty solid top-6, especially if both kids can play at a high level.

Up front will be the usual suspects minus Kapanen or Johnsson or Hyman... depending. They have some kids who can come up like Brooks, Engvall, Korshkov, Timashov, Bracco and maybe Nick Robertson?

 

[Dr Pepper]

https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tra...future-with-the-toronto-maple-leafs-1.1428250

Here we go again.

Front page splash on the TSN webpage, there's Tyson Barrie headlining their "trade board" despite reassurance in the column that the Leafs want to keep him around.

Whatever it takes to get ratings, I guess.

 

[shaner8989]

Rather Barrie at 8 or pietrangelo at 10?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

I say REPORTED in the sense that it is a quote from a reporter

Incorrect, you said "reported ask". A reported "ask" is reporting that Barrie has made an ask. What LeBrun is saying is what he'd think Barrie would get on the open market. And no LeBrun's opinion is no better than the avid fan. I would be an average of fan poll would consistently out-perform LeBrun's guess.

 

[Number8]

- Will ask 8 millions
- Became a big fan of Toronto

... Are these two statements a bit mutually incompatible?

He’s just late to the buffet line. He’s not wrong that Dubas spends money like a sailor on shore leave. His problem is just that thing called the Cap. Judgment identifying a soft touch is excellent, timing not so excellent.

 

[filthyMitz]

Incorrect, you said "reported ask". A reported "ask" is reporting that Barrie has made an ask. What LeBrun is saying is what he'd think Barrie would get on the open market. And no LeBrun's opinion is no better than the avid fan. I would be an average of fan poll would consistently out-perform LeBrun's guess.

Dude, you are very off base just look at the title. I used reported wrong yes I admitted that it’s a habit I have so it created a misunderstanding. But in no way shape or form is LeBrun saying what Barrie is going to get. He’s making an estimate on what he is asking for. Thank you for showing me that the average fan cannot be trusted when there opinion can’t even line up with the facts that they are trying to argue.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Dude, you are very off base just look at the title. I used reported wrong yes I admitted that it’s a habit I have so it created a misunderstanding. But in no way shape or form is LeBrun saying what Barrie is going to get. He’s making an estimate on what he is asking for. Thank you for showing me that the average fan cannot be trusted when there opinion can’t even line up with the facts that they are trying to argue.

If you want to argue that guessing Barries UFA ask is tangibly different than guessing what his UFA value is then whatever makes you feel better. But it doesn’t make LeBruns guesses any better than discourse on HF boards. One typically shouldn’t criticise the opinion they should criticise the rationale, and LeBrun often doesn’t even provide rationale, and when he does (most pundits) it’s all weak simple thinking designed for the casual fan, not good critical info.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Rather Barrie at 8 or pietrangelo at 10?

This can't be a serious question.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Barrie at 8? They can and they will.

 

[biturbo19]

Agreed. Barrie is way too soft to commit that much cap space and ice time to him. He is the definition of a PP specialist and is a net negative unless he's parked on the offensive blueline. If GM's had a clue they wouldnt offer him more than 3 years at 7M tops. Wont be surprised if someone uses a compliance buyout on him after our next lockout.

I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

Barrie really is a good defenceman. Most teams could benefit from adding him to their Top-4. He's just...a very good specialist, as far as i'm concerned. And i legitimately could see some team offering him something insane, and ending up a buyout (especially if we get another round of compliance buyouts with another lockout). He's a far better skater than Shattenkirk ever was...but man, people were all over him as a UFA...and that didn't end great. Same type of defenceman though. Not the guy you make your highest paid defender imo.

 

[Boxscore]

If the Leafs re-sign Barrie, Dubas should be fired on the spot, and the Leafs deserve to underachieve for the duration of Matthews and Marner's contracts. They are already way too "skill heavy" and need to roundout their team so it is more complete and dangerous to match-up against in the playoffs. They are a redundant team as it is with holes to fill.

 

[mazmin]

Dubas has never signed Barrie.

Barrie is not the “overpaying” of players by Dubas that I’m referring to. The worry is that he will overpay Barrie as he’s guilty with others.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Barrie is not the “overpaying” of players by Dubas that I’m referring to. The worry is that he will overpay Barrie as he’s guilty with others.

Guilty? That is not a worry, certainly not yours.