Confirmed with Link: Granlund re-signs [4 yrs/$5 mil AAV]

[sparkle twin]

Welcome back, Granny!!

 

[Dadof5boys]

My biggest issues are contract length and how much ice time Hynes gives him and how little he produces for the amount of icetime he's given. The term is 1-2 years longer than I'd like.

Totally agree.

 

[Legwand Legacy]

A bit much imo, but I can live with it.

 

[Pr0fet]

Perhaps a bit too much in regards of caphit (0,5-1,). Like that we got him back. Like the term. Like that he bet on himself with a cheap 1 year deal and won.

 

[King Weber]

 

[triggrman]

What the hell stat is that?

 

[Legionnaire11]

Haha, yesterday I didn't even notice that it has a market value at the bottom, which is hilariously low. In the NHL the standard has been $1M per 10 points (a very basic measure with no other factors considered) and rising, it's probably over $1.2M per 10 points in 2021. Granlund is versatile in that he can play all three forward positions and he can be play on both special teams units. How this guy comes up with his market value being $3.4M for 2021 I just don't know. I can't believe so many people put so much stock into this stuff.

 

[sakux]

What a joke!

Granny is a great player and this contract looks like a steal compared to signings like HYman, Coleman, Wennberg...

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Haha, yesterday I didn't even notice that it has a market value at the bottom, which is hilariously low. In the NHL the standard has been $1M per 10 points (a very basic measure with no other factors considered) and rising, it's probably over $1.2M per 10 points in 2021. Granlund is versatile in that he can play all three forward positions and he can be play on both special teams units. How this guy comes up with his market value being $3.4M for 2021 I just don't know. I can't believe so many people put so much stock into this stuff.

There are people on the trade forum insisting he shouldn't be making more than $2.5M per.

 

[NoNecksCurse]

Haha, yesterday I didn't even notice that it has a market value at the bottom, which is hilariously low. In the NHL the standard has been $1M per 10 points (a very basic measure with no other factors considered) and rising, it's probably over $1.2M per 10 points in 2021. Granlund is versatile in that he can play all three forward positions and he can be play on both special teams units. How this guy comes up with his market value being $3.4M for 2021 I just don't know. I can't believe so many people put so much stock into this stuff.

That’s one of the most horrendous charts i have seen. They keep getting worse. This is coming from someone who didn’t want to see granlund back.

 

[Predsanddead24]

The first indication that the chart makes no sense is that it has him being a substantially better player in the 19-20 season than last year. That is just objectively untrue.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

That’s one of the most horrendous charts i have seen. They keep getting worse. This is coming from someone who didn’t want to see granlund back.

And the scary thing is... there are "hockey fans" out there who live and die by these charts, and feel like once they've seen the chart, they know everything there is to know about the player. Don't even have to watch them play.

 

[Legionnaire11]

And the scary thing is... there are "hockey fans" out there who live and die by these charts, and feel like once they've seen the chart, they know everything there is to know about the player. Don't even have to watch them play.

Then they'll tell you that it's better than watching because fans don't know enough to evaluate players, and because the numbers are hard data while the eye-test is too biased.

 

[triggrman]

This is why I can't get on board with the "fancy stat" crowd.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

The irony is that even the stats guys are conflicting on Granlund. EvolveHockey had his contract projection basically dead on based on points and market.

 

[Armourboy]

Let's put fancy lines and bars on something and say it's bad. Nothing to support it, just lines on a page.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Well the killer on a lot of these fancy stats is really error bars... or lack thereof. Sure, it's nice to try to quantify some metrics to evaluate player performance. Great. Have at it. It's not an unworthy thing to attempt.

Just.. you have to know where your data is coming from, what the dependencies are, and then what uncertainty that places on the relative merit of your metric. And because hockey is a team sport with such complex dependencies, it's really difficult to make metrics compare meaningfully across all the variables. Maybe your measurement error isn't actually all that large, but all the dependencies are probably so complex that your overall uncertainty is still so enormous as to render your metric meaningless. This isn't explicitly acknowledged anywhere on these charts and plots. Instead they give you the number, no context, no estimate of uncertainty. And people take that number as gospel.

 

[triggrman]

Does anyone know what that stat actually is?

 

[Predsanddead24]

Does anyone know what that stat actually is?

It's Dom Luscycycnzn's (or however you spell it) model of player value called Game Score Value Added. It's essentially WAR. Here's an article that outlines it if you have the Athletic. Essentially anything that Dom ever posts is some variation of this model.

 

[Armourboy]

It's Dom Luscycycnzn's (or however you spell it) model of player value called Game Score Value Added. It's essentially WAR. Here's an article that outlines it if you have the Athletic. Essentially anything that Dom ever posts is some variation of this model.

So it's some dudes made up number essentially where he tries to make some broad deduction about something that has way too many factors in it to actually mean anything.

 

[Predsanddead24]

So it's some dudes made up number essentially where he tries to make some broad deduction about something that has way too many factors in it to actually mean anything.

Pretty much although to be fair to Dom he is the best at making these highly flawed models at least at the team level and of those that are publicly available. The problem to me is that even if it is a pretty decent model at the team level because the error in any individual player averages out its basically useless on the individual player level because that error is so large. I do like his playoff prediction stuff because it is far better than MoneyPuck at least, but other than that I've never been all that swayed by anything he does.

 

[Softball99]

Darrin and Willy's back & forth about how Granlund isn't worth it for us to be a bubble team convinced me ...only Poile knows Poile. Granlund is the most productive player in Hynes system because he embraces it.
He is now also replacing Jarny, with more offense and grit. Preliminary plans are Glass on his line with transition as the season goes and he shows he can C better than Granlund.
Granny back on the wing scoring like the old Granny.
Locker room and on ice he shows the kids how to be pros. If they work as hard as he does with their superior talent we'll have a winner.
Hynes is a hybrid of Laviolette and Trotz. He's correcting the team mentality of stars and supporting cast into a team again while giving stars what they earn same as everyone else.
Granlund is Poiles proof of commitment to Hynes

 

[GeauxPreds1]

I don’t really get the granlund signing. Signing him makes us better but not Stanley cup contender so what’s the point. Play our younger guys get a high draft pick 1-5 hopefully somehow win the draft lottery for the first time ever. Get a generational talent in wright. Our young guys got some valuable playing time and the retool begins. Sign forsberg and ekholm if they want to stay or dump them if they haven’t signed by the deadline which both of them will bring back a pretty good prospect and a 1st which goes along with the rebuild. I wanna win a cup one day and this team we have right now doesn’t get it done unless somehow saros goes on an unbelievable tear like rinne did in 2017

 

[nine_inch_fang]

I don’t really get the granlund signing. Signing him makes us better but not Stanley cup contender so what’s the point. Play our younger guys get a high draft pick 1-5 hopefully somehow win the draft lottery for the first time ever. Get a generational talent in wright. Our young guys got some valuable playing time and the retool begins. Sign forsberg and ekholm if they want to stay or dump them if they haven’t signed by the deadline which both of them will bring back a pretty good prospect and a 1st which goes along with the rebuild. I wanna win a cup one day and this team we have right now doesn’t get it done unless somehow saros goes on an unbelievable tear like rinne did in 2017

The ole "let's tank for one year and win the cup the next because player X is sooooooo great" concept. Doesn't really work like that but thanks for playing.

 

[triggrman]

David Poile didn't even tank after the firesale.