bstash19
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the bonus would only count towards next years cap if the team goes over 7.5% of the upper limit due to bonuses, i believe.
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the bonus would only count towards next years cap if the team goes over 7.5% of the upper limit due to bonuses, i believe.
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To be honest, I don't know exactly *how* the bonuses affect the cap the following year. I'm just pretty sure that regardless of how they impact the cap, they don't do so until the season *after* they've been earned (ie. if Barzal does earn any of his bonuses and there are cap implications, they'll be next year, not at the start of this year, like Staple seems to think).
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Eh, I'm a bit foggy on the exact rules, also. I'm just going by situations like with Artemi Panarin in Chicago, where they were fine cap-wise last year but aren't this year because he achieved last year's bonuses.
Article discussing the Panarin bonuses.
Staple *may* end up being correct, but it just doesn't seem to jive with past "cap issues" where teams seemed fine the year in which the player earned the bonuses, but then had to unload salary after that season because of the cap implications they'd face the following year due to performance bonuses being met.
Link about the Canucks facing cap hit carry over for 2016-17 due to bonuses hit the previous season.
I've been trying to look around for clear cut, plain-as-day explanations, but a lot of the different rules seem to muddy things. As you can see from the article above about the Canucks, the following quote is what is making it a bit unclear.
The bolded seems to imply that any sort of cap implication for players hitting their bonuses carries over to the following season, not the current one. What's unclear is exactly how they affect the player's cap hit at the beginning of the season.
Going back to the Panarin example, the reason I'm unclear about whether the cap hit is considered to include the potential performance bonuses or just the base salary is, Chicago was fine prior to Panarin reaching his bonuses, but got into cap trouble at the end of the year when he reached all his bonuses. If Panarin's cap hit to begin the 2015/16 season was simply his base salary + all potential performance bonuses, then they should have been in trouble right away.
As it is, general fanager lists Panarin's cap hit as $812,500. That seems to be the hit to Chicago's cap, but the bonuses he earned are tacked on this year because he reached them last year. If what Staple said was correct, one would think that Panarin's cap hit is actually $3,387,500 (base + potential bonuses). Yet, that's not how it's listed for Chicago.
So, yeah ... fun stuff.
Just making a hypothetic scenario but say the cap is 70M. Barzal has a contract worth 900k and has bonuses worth 2.5M. If the Islanders payroll is 69M including Barzal's 900k contract. At season's end he hits all bonuses, 1M of those bonuses will count towards this years cap, 1.5M will count towards next years.
All that being said I don't think Barzal's contract will be that big an issue. I think we are already like 1-2M under the cap max and if you factor in time Grabovski goes on LTIR we will gain even more capspace so if he did hit all bonuses we should be fine covering it this season without any carryover.
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Eh, I'm a bit foggy on the exact rules, also. I'm just going by situations like with Artemi Panarin in Chicago, where they were fine cap-wise last year but aren't this year because he achieved last year's bonuses.
Article discussing the Panarin bonuses.
Staple *may* end up being correct, but it just doesn't seem to jive with past "cap issues" where teams seemed fine the year in which the player earned the bonuses, but then had to unload salary after that season because of the cap implications they'd face the following year due to performance bonuses being met.
Link about the Canucks facing cap hit carry over for 2016-17 due to bonuses hit the previous season.
I've been trying to look around for clear cut, plain-as-day explanations, but a lot of the different rules seem to muddy things. As you can see from the article above about the Canucks, the following quote is what is making it a bit unclear.
The bolded seems to imply that any sort of cap implication for players hitting their bonuses carries over to the following season, not the current one. What's unclear is exactly how they affect the player's cap hit at the beginning of the season.
Going back to the Panarin example, the reason I'm unclear about whether the cap hit is considered to include the potential performance bonuses or just the base salary is, Chicago was fine prior to Panarin reaching his bonuses, but got into cap trouble at the end of the year when he reached all his bonuses. If Panarin's cap hit to begin the 2015/16 season was simply his base salary + all potential performance bonuses, then they should have been in trouble right away.
As it is, general fanager lists Panarin's cap hit as $812,500. That seems to be the hit to Chicago's cap, but the bonuses he earned are tacked on this year because he reached them last year. If what Staple said was correct, one would think that Panarin's cap hit is actually $3,387,500 (base + potential bonuses). Yet, that's not how it's listed for Chicago.
So, yeah ... fun stuff.
Seems like teams may get the choice as to when it can be applied.
Hi guys!
Grabovki's father: "My son has the roadmap of recovery, prescribed by physician. But we will not see Misha вefore the New Year in NHL matches".
He states that there wasn't any medical clearance in the club because by medical conditions Grabo will have heavy training only in December.
Source: belarusian press.
Grabovki's father: "My son has the roadmap of recovery, prescribed by physician. But we will not see Misha вefore the New Year in NHL matches".
He states that there wasn't any medical clearance in the club because by medical conditions Grabo will have heavy training only in December.
Source: belarusian press.
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I wish him the best luck, but there really isn't a timetable for concussion symptoms.
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Sucks for Grabo but this opens up the way for Barzal or Ho-sang, while there will be struggles for both I can hardly wait to watch them and the puck skills they bring
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Seems like we really need Barzal now. Might push Strome or Nelson to RW, which is fine, but having Barzal could be a real help. We need an offensive catalyst.
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i really want to see these kids too, but i'm inclined to think that Quine and Prince will be 12 & 13 this year.
next year, we lose PAP and Clutterbuck as UFA's, and it will be time for the kids to take a regular spot (IMO). the year after, Grabo, Bailey, Chimera and Kulemin hit free agency. maybe we will see MDC, Beauvillier, Bellows as well? that's lots of youth over a two year period, but throw in a legit 1st line RW to play with JT, and i think we should be ok.
getting way ahead of myself, lol...
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I'd have Barzal and Strome down the middle and Nelson on the wing.
I fully believe in the goaltending, the defense and the overall depth that will allow us to take time to let Strome readjust to center and Barzal to settle in.
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Garth is really setting up for another roster turnover in two years too, Quine, Prince and Strome and Chimera and JT etc etc all have their contracts up in two years. Kids will be getting time for that window to step in.
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I also believe this to be the case. The bonus money has to be triggered first, thus it counts toward the following season.
For the Islanders, we all know roster moves will have to be made regardless anyway. They need to cut one body from the roster, and I doubt they go with 3 goalies to start the season again.
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I agree with this. I think when Grabo is out there he really helps with the possession numbers AND I think just his presence helps Kulemin and others. He seems like a great teammate.
I really hope Grabo can get over his concussion problems but, at the same time, he needs to be smart about this and, if his body won't let him play, he might need to look into the next stage of his career. Be it coaching, scouting, whatever.
But I think this is an opportunity for Barzal to step up and hopefully he runs with it.
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He's done unfortunately, I really wish he'd just wrap his playing career up and take an office based position with NYI.
He's funny and seems to be a good presence, much like Nabby was, when he was here..
He's funny and seems to be a good presence, much like Nabby was, when he was here..
He can move the puck with speed while still getting out of trouble at the blue line unlike Tavares and so many others. No intangible there.
Of course when you tend to skate with your head down you also become a prime victim of concussions, so here we are.
A few days ago Grabovski returned to US. He intends to play for the team in January.
Source: belarusian TV.
Source: belarusian TV.
I hope so..short of using duct tape and wrapping a pillow around his head...he better not get another concussion! Keep your head up!
Not expecting much here considering his history but he was one of our best possession players and someone that we could surely use if he's healthy enough to play.
