Value of: Grabner to the Blues

[BleedBlue14]

I understand the trepidation, but you are not getting a one dimensional goal scoring forward. This is a reliable 2-way player that is playing limited minutes and producing top 6 results (from a goal scoring perspective)

At 30 years old, he has another 3+ years before the drop in speed is noticeable. He's a bargain at the deadline for what looks to be a late 1st from the Blues.

No 1st.

 

[TGWL]

Before he joined the rangers he was averaging 10-20 goals a year for about 5 years. He's already 30 so his legs don't have much time left and as soon as he loses his legs he loses his career. He's definitely not worth a first or a good prospect.

Lets break down "Before he joined the Rangers".

In 2009-2010, he scored 5 goals in 20 games. (Looks good for 20 goals)
In 2010-2011, he scored 34 goals in 76 games.

Lets look at the 5 years before joining the Rangers.

In 2011-2012, he scored 20 goals in 76 games.
In 2012-2013, he scored 16 goals in 45 games. (Nearly 30 goal pace)
In 2013-2014, he scored 12 goals in 64 games.
In 2013-2014, he scored 8 goals in 34 games. (8 goals a little misleading here?)
In 2014-2015, he scored 9 goals in 80 games. (Bad year on a really bad team)

With the Rangers.
In 2015-2016, he scored 27 goals in 76 games.
In 2016, he's scored 8 goals in 18 games.

He's been much closer to a 20 goal plus player than an in-between 10-20 goal scorer for the 5 years prior to joining the Rangers. He had 1 bad season in 2014-2015, but a 20 goal scorer is definitely worth a late first. The problem comes in with his contract, he's a UFA, so it's a gamble unless teams think they can sign him. I'd personally want a 2nd round pick and a good prospect if we didn't have buyers for a late first (top of the league teams)

 

[Strait2thecup]

He absolutely doesn’t command a first lol. His 8 goals are also deceiving considering 3-5 are empty netters

 

[slovakia18]

and empty netters always easy or what?


that speed amazing...

 

[Savant]

Grabner’s value is tough because he still means a lot to the Rangers. Obviously he is worth less than a 1st, but he is probably worth more than a 2nd as well.

 

[Kupo]

He absolutely doesn’t command a first lol. His 8 goals are also deceiving considering 3-5 are empty netters

So empty netters don’t count?

A goal is a goal. Scoring an EN puts a game away.

If you feel he isn’t worth a 1st that’s fine. But if it’s anything less, we’ll happily just hang on to Grabner. He’s a terrific teammate and never takes a shift off.

Only about 40% of 2nd round pics even make the NHL, so pardon us Rangers fans for not wanting to move a Bonafide 25g scoring winger who’s one of the most lethal penalty killers in the league.

 

[TGWL]

He absolutely doesn’t command a first lol. His 8 goals are also deceiving considering 3-5 are empty netters

Rangers have no reason to trade him for anything less than a 2nd plus prospect. A 1st being ideal. Despite the early set back by the team, they've accumulated some points on a winning streak. Trading him for a 3rd at this point would just be stupid. Losing him for nothing and trying to go as far as we can sounds better.

 

[Fitzy]

He absolutely doesn’t command a first lol. His 8 goals are also deceiving considering 3-5 are empty netters

He's well on his way to breaking the all-time record in that category this season. Look out, Bure.

 

[WesMcCauley]

If the Blues were giving up a young, winger prospect in the mold of Jesper Fast...why are they including a second as well? We’re talking about Grabner, right?

Before he joined the rangers he was averaging 10-20 goals a year for about 5 years. He's already 30 so his legs don't have much time left and as soon as he loses his legs he loses his career. He's definitely not worth a first or a good prospect.

If he is traded at the deadline, he would return something pretty good for NYR.
Grabner scored 27 goals last season and has a career average of over 23 goals per 82 games. He is one of the best penalty killers in the league and fantastic 5v5. He scored 26 goals or something 5v5 last season. He would be a fantastic add for any contender and could play on the top line or the 4th line. A 3rd or 4th rounder isnt close to enough.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Good luck getting your unprecedented 2nd + prospect for him

I think the Rangers and their fans will be glad to keep him if they don't get it.

 

[Colt55]

Keep him please. We have plenty of young studs on there way here. I rather be patient than waste a first on more of the same of what the blues already have.

 

[haveandare]

OP was interested in gauging value. A (likely very late) 2nd round pick + a prospect that doesn't have top 6 upside for a player that will help them compete now isn't an outlandish request, is it?

Yeah, as an NYR fan, I would rather keep Grabner and re-sign him if his demands are reasonable. That offer is extremely underwhelming. Grabner last year and this year is a very effective goal scorer who has to do all his work at even strength or on the PK. He's worth a lot more Imo than a late second. If a first isn't coming back, I'd keep him.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

So empty netters don’t count?

A goal is a goal. Scoring an EN puts a game away.

If you feel he isn’t worth a 1st that’s fine. But if it’s anything less, we’ll happily just hang on to Grabner. He’s a terrific teammate and never takes a shift off.

Only about 40% of 2nd round pics even make the NHL, so pardon us Rangers fans for not wanting to move a Bonafide 25g scoring winger who’s one of the most lethal penalty killers in the league.

Well...the Blues don't really need to be on the market for an ENG specialist. I wouldn't say a high number of empty netters is a selling point.

 

[bernmeister]

Blues aren't moving out of the 1st and 2nd round this year+going 3 years without a 1st.

Grabner is too expensive for the Blues. Im not trying to be rude, because I think Grabner has put himself in a position to warrent the ask. Without Fabbri this year, I don't see the Blues making an expensive acquisition of a rental. He provided too much offense to realistically replace.

concur, but also did not want to be rude and not give Blues fans chance to speak up and see if there was a good enough offer that was overlooked.

Going once,
going twice...

 

[Evocable Manager]

concur, but also did not want to be rude and not give Blues fans chance to speak up and see if there was a good enough offer that was overlooked.

Going once,
going twice...

To NYR : Chris Thorburn

To STL: Future Considerations

It's basically a free player and I know everyone likes free stuff

 

[simon IC]

Hold up! I didn't actually say I would trade one of Walman, Schmaltz, Barbashev or Blais straight up for Grabner. Did anybody notice I didn't mention Dunn, Thomas, Kostin, Kyrou or Thompson? We don't have a 2018 1st, so outside of those top prospects, who is on the table? I was just brainstorming and came up with the names I mentioned in my original post as pieces that could be part of a deal. I really like Grabner, and I think he would fit perfectly in to the Blues system.

 

[Kupo]

Well...the Blues don't really need to be on the market for an ENG specialist. I wouldn't say a high number of empty netters is a selling point.

He’s not an ENG specialist. But keep thinking that if it helps you sleep at night.

 

[Dbrownss]

Hold up! I didn't actually say I would trade one of Walman, Schmaltz, Barbashev or Blais straight up for Grabner. Did anybody notice I didn't mention Dunn, Thomas, Kostin, Kyrou or Thompson? We don't have a 2018 1st, so outside of those top prospects, who is on the table? I was just brainstorming and came up with the names I mentioned in my original post as pieces that could be part of a deal. I really like Grabner, and I think he would fit perfectly in to the Blues system.

Rental wise, I'd offer up schmaltz but with D'angelo in their system....he would be redundant. So i doubt he would be of interest

 

[stl76]

He’s not an ENG specialist. But keep thinking that if it helps you sleep at night.

Nobody said he was an ENG specialist, just that scoring ENGs doesn't really increase a player's value.

But keep thinking that if it helps you sleep at night.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

He’s not an ENG specialist. But keep thinking that if it helps you sleep at night.

Dude, you're the guy explaining to me the important value of these empty net goals. I'm not convinced. I see that as a negative context when I look at his stat line. I'm sleeping just fine. LOL.

Is the weather bad in NY right now? Some folks are coming across as unusually cranky.

Grabner to the Blues is a more interesting proposal than most I've seen here lately. I do think Armstrong is likely to make a trade for a 3rd line forward. But nothing very splashy.

 

[Alluckks]

Nobody said he was an ENG specialist, just that scoring ENGs doesn't really increase a player's value.

But keep thinking that if it helps you sleep at night.

Yes it does. Especially if you watch the video posted in this very thread. Most players can't do what he can do from a defensive position to score a lot of the goals he does, empty netters included.

Blues fans ask price.
Rangers fans say price to make it worth trading him because he has good value to our team, good value for his skills, and some mid round picks are not worth it at all.
Blues fans don't like price.
Rangers fan explain why.
Blues fans get pissy.

 

[Alluckks]

Dude, you're the guy explaining to me the important value of these empty net goals. I'm not convinced. I see that as a negative context when I look at his stat line. I'm sleeping just fine. LOL.

Is the weather bad in NY right now? Some folks are coming across as unusually cranky.

Grabner to the Blues is a more interesting proposal than most I've seen here lately. I do think Armstrong is likely to make a trade for a 3rd line forward. But nothing very splashy.

It is annoying to deal with threads where it is just a someone asking for your player(s) and then getting whiny and argumentative when they don't like the answer.

 

[Cassano]

Probably similar to Hanzal last year, otherwise I'd keep him.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

It is annoying to deal with threads where it is just a someone asking for your player(s) and then getting whiny and argumentative when they don't like the answer.

Doesn't help that you have people asking for Fabbri+ or a 1st+2nd as the return.

 

[Kupo]

Dude, you're the guy explaining to me the important value of these empty net goals. I'm not convinced. I see that as a negative context when I look at his stat line. I'm sleeping just fine. LOL.

Grabner isn’t the 1 dimensional ENG speciast you’re portraying him as. He’s more than that. I recommend you watch him a few times before making any more silly statements.

He’s a good all around player that teams (especially contenders) specifically target during the deadline. Goal scorer? PKer? Veteran? Affordability?

And every kind of goal is important. Especially one that puts a game away.

You should value goals. They’re kind of important in hockey.