Rumor: Gordie Clark Moving Towards Retirement?

[Joey Bones]

There were a few guys the Rangers were pretty high on that year --- with varying results.

Stewart, Foligno, Sanguinetti, Giroux, Berglund and Summers were all guys I remember there being increased chatter around.

Oh wow, forgot about him!! There was a really funny Hartford video he did when he was with the organization. I'll have to find it...

 

[RangersFan1994]

There were a few guys the Rangers were pretty high on that year --- with varying results.

Stewart, Foligno, Sanguinetti, Giroux, Berglund and Summers were all guys I remember there being increased chatter around.

what a bust he turned out to be.
Foligno was one of the players I wanted .

 

[vladmyir111]

Lot of whataboutisms here. NYR drafting has been shit. Outside of Lundqvist and.......well honestly I can't think of a second legit star NY has drafted in the 25 years I've been watching. Every top level player we've had has been a UFA or college signing or trade. Almost every single team in the league during that time has drafted an absolute stud or 4.

 

[Kaapo Hollweg]

Lot of whataboutisms here. NYR drafting has been shit. Outside of Lundqvist and.......well honestly I can't think of a second legit star NY has drafted in the 25 years I've been watching. Every top level player we've had has been a UFA or college signing or trade. Almost every single team in the league during that time has drafted an absolute stud or 4.

OK

 

[Rangerboy030]

I think if we swap out those guys from our picks we're probably still top five.

Laf and Kakko plus Zegras is a bit different because that would've apparently cost us Buch to get Edmonton's pick.

That one is a bit more complicated. I think Buch would've exploded in Edmonton (and had extra padding on top of what we've seen, especially this year). How would that have impacted expectation for Zegras? Would people have been upset we didn't get the pick and then some? What impact would it have had on Kakko and Kravtsov?

Those are all fair questions and ones I don't necessarily have answers to.

Not to mention that if we didn't have Buch, it's a decent bet that we don't make the play-in round - so take Laffy out as well.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Lot of whataboutisms here. NYR drafting has been shit. Outside of Lundqvist and.......well honestly I can't think of a second legit star NY has drafted in the 25 years I've been watching. Every top level player we've had has been a UFA or college signing or trade. Almost every single team in the league during that time has drafted an absolute stud or 4.

this is the truth. We've drafted some solid players, a lot of them actually, but no studs. Shesty might be one but again, goalie.

Look at the past 20 years, list out the best players we've had. How many were drafted by us?

Jagr
Nylander?
Gaborik
Stepan <- an important player for us but never a true top line center
Nash
McDonagh
Zucc
Richards
Brassard
St. Louis
Zibanejad
Panarin
DeAngelo
Fox
Kreider <- was he ever our best or top 5 player? Maybe once or twice
Buchnevich -< this year he was a top 5 player for us.

not pretty.

Luckily our trading has been really good overall.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Lot of whataboutisms here. NYR drafting has been shit. Outside of Lundqvist and.......well honestly I can't think of a second legit star NY has drafted in the 25 years I've been watching. Every top level player we've had has been a UFA or college signing or trade. Almost every single team in the league during that time has drafted an absolute stud or 4.

Players who exceeded their draft day expectations: Stepan, Moore, Callahan, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Sauer (until his injury), Hagelin, Fast, Duclair, Buchnevich and some others.

But the Rangers didn't have a top 3 pick for 45 f***ing years so let's complain we never drafted surefire stars

And no, focusing on the 1 or 2 exceptions each year isn't a valid argument. With that hindsight, I'm shocked you're not a billionaire through the stock exchange

 

[dapowl]

Also scouting isn't only drafting. Also identifing players/prospects to trade for.

 

[True Blue]

Lot of whataboutisms here. NYR drafting has been shit. Outside of Lundqvist and.......well honestly I can't think of a second legit star NY has drafted in the 25 years I've been watching. Every top level player we've had has been a UFA or college signing or trade. Almost every single team in the league during that time has drafted an absolute stud or 4.

Does your analysis take into account where the team has been drafting or how many times they have traded away their first round pick?

 

[bobbop]

Brooks article clarifies that Clark transitioned to pro scouting earlier this year. Understandable, given his age.

 

[Edge]

Brooks article clarifies that Clark transitioned to pro scouting earlier this year. Understandable, given his age.

Was rumored for a while that he didn’t want the hours of the head job but still loved the sport.

 

[Leetch3]

btw gordie clark turns 69 tomorrow.

 

[Roo Returns]

btw gordie clark turns 69 tomorrow.

I'm not going to go Beavis and Butt-Head with the age, it's implied, but what I will say is 70 is the new 60 so not ancient unlike 30-35 years ago.

 

[Crease]

btw gordie clark turns 69 tomorrow.

Nice

 

[bobbop]

I'm not going to go Beavis and Butt-Head with the age, it's implied, but what I will say is 70 is the new 60 so not ancient unlike 30-35 years ago.

Damn right!

 

[bobbop]

this is the truth. We've drafted some solid players, a lot of them actually, but no studs. Shesty might be one but again, goalie.

Look at the past 20 years, list out the best players we've had. How many were drafted by us?

Jagr
Nylander?
Gaborik
Stepan <- an important player for us but never a true top line center
Nash
McDonagh
Zucc
Richards
Brassard
St. Louis
Zibanejad
Panarin
DeAngelo
Fox
Kreider <- was he ever our best or top 5 player? Maybe once or twice
Buchnevich -< this year he was a top 5 player for us.

not pretty.

Luckily our trading has been really good overall.

Trading is often a byproduct of good scouting.

 

[Edge]

Trading is often a byproduct of good scouting.

As is winning, which we did a lot of from 2005-2017.

I've said every point I've had to make on the whole "drafting stars" argument. Nothing new to add there.

Ultimately at the end of the day I care about winning. I'd rather have Laf and Kakko scoring 70-80 points on a balanced team that can send wave after wave against teams, rather than have them score 90-100 points and have a weaker team.

For the first time in a very, very long time, we have a chance to combine elite, top-end talent with valuable support talent. We've had the highest picks in modern franchise history and we've a string of multi-pick drafts.

For better or worse, the measure for 2017-2020 will be different than any other span in team history.

 

[Roo Returns]

As is winning, which we did a lot of from 2005-2017.

I've said every point I've had to make on the whole "drafting stars" argument. Nothing new to add there.

Ultimately at the end of the day I care about winning. I'd rather have Laf and Kakko scoring 70-80 points on a balanced team that can send wave after wave against teams, rather than have them score 90-100 points and have a weaker team.

For the first time in a very, very long time, we have a chance to combine elite, top-end talent with valuable support talent. We've had the highest picks in modern franchise history and we've a string of multi-pick drafts.

For better or worse, the measure for 2017-2020 will be different than any other span in team history.

If Igor does half or one quarter of what Lundqvist did but has one playoff where he plays his best hockey (I'm talking like 1986 or 1993 Patrick Roy level), we all sign up for that 11/10 times.

 

[ncmike]

I'm sure they interviewed a lot of players and he may have been on their radar. I've seen nothing that ever said he was the pick if Sanguinetti was not available.

I read that Bobby Clark really wanted giroux so he was whispering to the right people to get the word out that he wanted Sanguinetti. Played head games with the Rangers to get them to skip on Giroux so the flyers could get him.

 

[bobbop]

I read that Bobby Clark really wanted giroux so he was whispering to the right people to get the word out that he wanted Sanguinetti. Played head games with the Rangers to get them to skip on Giroux so the flyers could get him.

I know for a fact that is not true. Sanguinetti was #12 on the Flyers board and they tried to trade up to get him.

 

[Good Intentions]

Players who exceeded their draft day expectations: Stepan, Moore, Callahan, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Sauer (until his injury), Hagelin, Fast, Duclair, Buchnevich and some others.

Good list but a bit misleading. To say some of them “exceeded their draft day expectations” is not accurate.

Several were 2nd round picks and had solid careers, made plenty of money with multiple contracts. Several matched expectations.

Callahan exceeded. Hagelin exceeded.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Good list but a bit misleading. To say some of them “exceeded their draft day expectations” is not accurate.

Several were 2nd round picks and had solid careers, made plenty of money with multiple contracts. Several matched expectations.

Callahan exceeded. Hagelin exceeded.

@Edge has been over the percentages per round already. 2nd rounders aren't a guarantee to make the NHL even and we drafted a couple guys playing 400+ games.

 

[Shadowtron]

I know for a fact that is not true. Sanguinetti was #12 on the Flyers board and they tried to trade up to get him.

And then Rangers Luck stepped it and said, here hold my beer! lol!!!

 

[kovazub94]

Good list but a bit misleading. To say some of them “exceeded their draft day expectations” is not accurate.

Several were 2nd round picks and had solid careers, made plenty of money with multiple contracts. Several matched expectations.

Callahan exceeded. Hagelin exceeded.

Make a redraft list and compare to the original spot.

 

[jaywills1020]

I think fans tend to focus other team's steals (Point in the 3rd round, Marchand in the 3rd round) and our own team's blunders (McIlrath, Lias etc.) rather than the other way around.

This is exactly my thinking too. Except they screwed up with Lias. He was drafted for his character and you don’t draft a character player in the top 10. He never had the numbers to justify being a top 10 pick and if you want a character guy then do it through free agency.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This is exactly my thinking too. Except they screwed up with Lias. He was drafted for his character and you don’t draft a character player in the top 10. He never had the numbers to justify being a top 10 pick and if you want a character guy then do it through free agency.

You should look at his numbers pre-draft.

P/GP in SHL in draft year
Holtz: 0.46
Andersson: 0.45
Raymond: 0.30

P/GP in SuperElit min 25 GP (u18)
Kopitar: 1.63
Andersson: 1.59
W. Nylander: 1.59

There were concerns, but production pre-draft wasn't one of them. Lias set the record for points by an u18 player with 59 back in 2016 despite missing a bunch of games because he spent weeks in the SHL as well (playing 22 games)