Post-Game Talk: GOATvechkin Vs McJesus @ 9:30
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Alexander the Gr8
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We'd have to look in the AHL, see if we can find our Mike Sullivan. Talking about firing Trotz at this point of the year is premature though. It's been 6 games, give him some time.
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Makes me sad....
This Trotz firing talk is premature. They would have to tailspin for it to be considered.
Calicaps
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I agree; I just see where it could be necessary and am curious what our options might be.
Alexander the Gr8
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A few weeks ago I would've suggested Mann as a possible replacement but both the Bears and the Capitals are struggling right now.
DCRedhawk21
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This has been apparent for me from the eye test. I don't know if it's a concerted effort to try and play the game differently, malaise for a new season, or a quirk of a small sample of games. The game last nightime was not good, but I didn't think they have played that terrible otherwise (with the exceptions of the second periods in the penguins, Rangers and Panthers games).
In the end, I would suspect they'll be top 3 in the division. But they won't be a dominant or great team without kuzy back at ppg.
8 - 19 -77
90 - 92 - 14
65 - 20 - 10
26 - 83 - 43
Let the first line and beagle line handle the top match ups and try to get the "middle six" going.
It's not premature, it's too late
Lower your expectations, dont lose your sleep. Hope for the best!
I mean, Russia can win soccer World Cup too.
Langway
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Patrick Roy.
I have no idea. It's probably very true that if a team needs the perfect ideal coach then they're not good enough anyway. The players need to take ownership of their game but the coaching staff also seems to give the players an easy out in how they tend to play. The difference between playing "patient" and complacent can be pretty thin.
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Is it really an overreaction from last night? At least some posters have been floating the idea of replacing Trotz since last season.
Me personally, I think Trotz Is here for a while.
Who knows, maybe Ted makes a move if they don't advance, but I would be surprised if he takes them to the playoffs and gets fired. It's against the Organizational MO.
Dr John Carlson
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Trotz is one of the most well-respected coaches in the world. I don't know if the organization has it in them to fire somebody like that so soon into his tenure, especially when this isn't even a bad team (just not good enough).
HecticGlow
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I don't think Trotz is the problem. He managed to put together a team that won the Presidents Trophy last year: only a good coach manages that, especially when you consider that just two seasons earlier we didn't even make the playoffs. The problem is his gameplan relies on key offensive players being able to produce - I don't know why Kuzy and Bura and Williams and Chimmers stopped producing, but that's what killed us in the playoffs, and what's killing us now. Guys on here lament Trotz for not trying new ideas to get offense restarted, like put Ovi and Kuzy together, or pair Orlov with Carlson, and then when Trotz does that and it achieves nothing they lament him further. In an interview with Isabelle Khurshudyan Kuzy have the impression his slump was because he stopped enjoying the game, and finds it hard to let go of bad play and move forwards. That's the kind of psychological mind field even the best coaches are unlikely to correct - and it'll likely be down to Kuzy and preferably a great sports psychologist to overcome it.
bur and 666 others
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regular season doesn't matter, right? they will get into the playoffs - no question about that and i believe a team can win the SC with Trotz and his crew in the charge. also a team can catch fire and roll and win the SC with average coaching and roster too. this game this early in the season means nothing. only thing is i hope the management is smart enough to identify systematic holes and breakdowns that this team has if any and will fix them before the playoffs. no more webers and glencrosses in the trade deadline!
i mean they don't have to be fast, they just have to be able to neutralize the speed effectively and offer something on their own on attack. this league is the copy-past league. that's why it's hard to repeat the SC. i just hope the caps will be ahead of the curve to figure how to stop teams built on speed.
i mean they don't have to be fast, they just have to be able to neutralize the speed effectively and offer something on their own on attack. this league is the copy-past league. that's why it's hard to repeat the SC. i just hope the caps will be ahead of the curve to figure how to stop teams built on speed.
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my speculation about Kuzy not having fun anymore was correct! i can now proudly pat myself on the back lol. but if this is the problem, then it's not biggie. coz trotz and co are all about building a great organization where guys enjoy being and etc. few bonuses to kuzy's way and vuala he's again enjoying the game, coming up with crazy ideas on goal celebration and mocking the opposition.
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that makes no sense. that's not why he lost his way, it's why he can't get it back. what the hell happened last spring is what I want to know.
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that makes no sense. what the hell happened last spring wasn't the question i was answering.
kmart
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if he stopped enjoying the game, be it since recent time or since the playoffs, does it really matter why from a hockey/value standpoint ?
i am not sure if thats the reason but its worth to give it a thought. that would downgrade his role from the bat or at least reevaluate him on the roster, a unreliable scorer that can fill the top6. we had one in the past like that if i remember, also dont forget that kuzy gets already all the chances to prove himself unlike #28. bottom line we dont know what kuzy is, a 80 ppg player or a 60ppg player who had a good year.
txpd
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no. no its not. they have lost two in a row. fire the guy.
this forum has been demanding that Trotz use different combinations on both forward and defense. Orlov is in the top 4. Kuzy is with Ov. There is a rookie on the 3rd line.
If Trotz knew he needed to win, 19 would be with 8. 43 would be in the top 9. 65 wouldn't be on the first line. Orlov would be on the 3rd pair.
Give it time to settle. They are trying some things.
Oh...and Ovechkin. He is on a 4 game goal scoring streak. Playing with a center that is clearly struggling. And we are complaining about Ov?
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Trotz has said Kuzy is cerebral. I don't think Kuz was ready for the NHL limelight. He went from "the best guy not the NHL" to an All Star leading the team in points. After that his game and swagger declined. IMO he internalized it and got tight. I thought it might be injury, but it wasn't. It is mental as many have said, and it's this conflict of being the #1 scorer on a level with Ovie vs the guy who can hide in the shadows and then surprise you with nifty moves from out of nowhere.
Keep him on 2nd line and take some internal pressure off of him, then turn him loose on the opposition.
Keep him on 2nd line and take some internal pressure off of him, then turn him loose on the opposition.
txpd
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All good points here. I think a lot of this needs to be taken into account whenever we start taking Nicklas Backstrom for granted. Kuznetsov has a long way to go to be as good a player as Backstrom much less be considered a better player.
Yes...He belongs on the 2nd line. Not with Ovechkin. Let him play with players that are complimentary to him rather than the other way around. Johansson is there to get him the puck and keep up with him. Burakovsky or Williams or Oshie are there to finish what he creates. Right now he is trying to serve the monster and being game planned against. If he needs confidence, skating with 8 is not the way to do it. Let him run wild a little
RaindanceMaggie
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I would've liked to see Marc Crawford as an assistant here, great offensive minded coach and can let Barry and Todd focus on the rest of the game.
txpd
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Sure it is. There is no evidence that the lineup that Trotz is using is the lineup he would use if he was all in to win a given game. I think every line and defense pair save for Alzner and Niskanen is an experiment.
Look who Orlov was on the ice against. There is a rookie in his first professional games playing with the Caps treasured playoff hero and the new center they are proud to have gotten. They have an obviously struggling center playing with their top goal scorer.
I think the lineup looks very different if Trotz thinks he needs to win games
