Goal Scoring Woes
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mechantmardi
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habs need to cross the blue line in the middle and get into the slot
instead of circling the boards and going behind the net
(and waiting for power plays...)
they are getting crushed along the boards and wasting good posessions.
they need some grit to have their way in the Opponent zone
do it for Carey Price. we need sustainable strategies for a playoff run.
the coaching staff cannot take credit for the W column in the standings.
instead of circling the boards and going behind the net
(and waiting for power plays...)
they are getting crushed along the boards and wasting good posessions.
they need some grit to have their way in the Opponent zone
do it for Carey Price. we need sustainable strategies for a playoff run.
the coaching staff cannot take credit for the W column in the standings.
The good news:
1) Habs have decent depth to cover slumps. Weise, Plekanec, Desharnais, Galchenyuk and Pacioretty have been hot while the above have been cold.
2) Four of the players on your list are rookies. Sekac is doing everything right and will start producing if he keeps up his pace; Beaulieu is fantastic and goals will come; de la Rose and Thomas are too fresh to know what they can bring and whether they'll be here after the trade deadline.
3) Only a matter of time for Gallagher and Eller.
4) Gilbert, Emelin, Gonchar, Malhotra... mathematical odds say they're due, but I'll be happy with assists.
1) Habs have decent depth to cover slumps. Weise, Plekanec, Desharnais, Galchenyuk and Pacioretty have been hot while the above have been cold.
2) Four of the players on your list are rookies. Sekac is doing everything right and will start producing if he keeps up his pace; Beaulieu is fantastic and goals will come; de la Rose and Thomas are too fresh to know what they can bring and whether they'll be here after the trade deadline.
3) Only a matter of time for Gallagher and Eller.
4) Gilbert, Emelin, Gonchar, Malhotra... mathematical odds say they're due, but I'll be happy with assists.
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I really believe that Eller is a reincarnation of Bourque as in he's going to be a mediocre player during the season but will wake up during the POs (at least I hope)
montreal
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1) Not enough depth imo, too many games our offense struggles to score and come playoffs if that continues we are in trouble imo.
2) Right now we have too many rookies in the lineup for a team that according to sportsnet last night said that since Dec 20th the Habs have been the best team in the NHL. Our call ups just aren't producing at all. Beaulieu imo is far from fantastic, I keep hearing goals will come but how does that help us now if we want to win now?
3) I'm sure Gallagher will pot a couple, the effort is always there. Eller I never know what to make of his offense.
4) To me it's a huge concern that only 2 blueliners can put the puck in the net, as bad as we need additional scoring depth in our top 6, we also need some serious help on our blueline in terms of production.
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Gilbert is the biggest let down, he was brought here to bring offense and he has failed badly.
Subban is also not providing nearly as much as he can. So many wide or blocked shots. But at least he's creating things.
montreal
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Subban is 2nd on the team in pts, looks like he's going to hit a career high in goals scored if he can pot a couple more. Wouldn't be surprised to see him break 50 pts again this year.
Gilbert has been a disappointment but for a 3rd pairing D he's been ok. The problem is outside our top pairing no other D can put the puck in the net.
S Bah
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Agreed
Also agreed
I don't think Gallagher will ever be real offensive threat but should pick it up a bit. Eller has potential but I'm not sure if it will ever be fully developed.
This group should not be counted on for scoring. If they do, it's a bonus
Hackett
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Beaulieu is still zero for his career. I would never guessed that would be the case at this point in the season if you were to ask me in October.
I remember he rang one of the post in the season opener, and thinking it won't take long to get his first one, lol.
if you're not going to score, you need to contribute in other ways, and I thought Gallagher played a vital role in taking the puck to the net during the plekanec goal, and without that DLR back check in OT, DD may never have gotten the opportunity in OT.
If a player is a pure goal scorer, and brings little else, then I pay much more attention to these slumps.
I remember he rang one of the post in the season opener, and thinking it won't take long to get his first one, lol.
if you're not going to score, you need to contribute in other ways, and I thought Gallagher played a vital role in taking the puck to the net during the plekanec goal, and without that DLR back check in OT, DD may never have gotten the opportunity in OT.
If a player is a pure goal scorer, and brings little else, then I pay much more attention to these slumps.
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Mario le Magnifique
Habs apologist, closet Pens fan
Mario le Magnifique
Habs apologist, closet Pens fan
Thirty-Five Game Winning Goals so there's no shortage of them, the truly important figure, IMHO.
But coach is just bad. And I'm the real deal !
It's DD's fault by way of Therrien's unnatural love for him. The fact that he just about stole his goal last night from a more deserving player by virtue of playing center for Pacioretty just sickens me. Eller could've been on the nice to make that happen, but DD keeps riding Pacioretty's coattails. His current hot streak comes at the expense of the team despite what our record would indicate and our doom shall come in the playoffs. Mark my words.
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Beaulieu has improved defensively but he still brings nothing offensively.
I don't see him being more than a #4 maybe a #3 if he improves his offensive game.
Gallagher- 1 goal last 16 games
Generally a 15-20 goal guy. That's a 5 goal pace per year. He would need 3 in 16 to be about 15 goals.
Eller- 2 goals last 23 games
Eller is generally a 10-15 goal center. 2/23 is a 7 goal pace. 3/23 would give him 11 goals. It's minor, 1 goal less, one goal more, it will balance out.
Sekac- 1 goal last 22 games
No real previous data to go on. He could stand to shoot more.
Prust- 1 goal last 19 games
Generally speaking, Prust scores about 5-6 goals a year. This is a 4.3 goal pace, nothing wrong here.
Malhotra- 0 goals in 46 games
Defensive specialist, I wish he scored more but he's at the twilight of his career.
Thomas- 0 goals in 11 games
No previous sample, rookie. Generally not a big goal scorer.
Bournival- 0 goals last 12 games
In some ways, misused. Not unlike Weise, he can provide a spark on top 9 but rarely used in that capacity. 7:53 TOI/G average this year. Brutal.
DLR- 0 goals in 4 games
No previous sample, rookie.
Beaulieu- 0 goals in 38 games
Hasn't scored an NHL goal yet and not a big scorer in the AHL or juniors so not sure if it's a slump or reality here.
Gonchar- 0 goals last 24 games
It's been years since Gonchar hit 10+ goals in a season. Add in his age. 3-4 goals a year is what to expect. Given that 1/24 would set him on that pace I'm not concerned. It's 1 goal off, it happens.
Gilbert- 1 goal last 40 games
Last time he hit over 3 goals was the 2010-11 season. He's on pace for 2 this year, minor.
Emelin- 2 goals last 51 games
Has never hit more than 3 goals in a season. This is par for the course for him.
Generally a 15-20 goal guy. That's a 5 goal pace per year. He would need 3 in 16 to be about 15 goals.
Eller- 2 goals last 23 games
Eller is generally a 10-15 goal center. 2/23 is a 7 goal pace. 3/23 would give him 11 goals. It's minor, 1 goal less, one goal more, it will balance out.
Sekac- 1 goal last 22 games
No real previous data to go on. He could stand to shoot more.
Prust- 1 goal last 19 games
Generally speaking, Prust scores about 5-6 goals a year. This is a 4.3 goal pace, nothing wrong here.
Malhotra- 0 goals in 46 games
Defensive specialist, I wish he scored more but he's at the twilight of his career.
Thomas- 0 goals in 11 games
No previous sample, rookie. Generally not a big goal scorer.
Bournival- 0 goals last 12 games
In some ways, misused. Not unlike Weise, he can provide a spark on top 9 but rarely used in that capacity. 7:53 TOI/G average this year. Brutal.
DLR- 0 goals in 4 games
No previous sample, rookie.
Beaulieu- 0 goals in 38 games
Hasn't scored an NHL goal yet and not a big scorer in the AHL or juniors so not sure if it's a slump or reality here.
Gonchar- 0 goals last 24 games
It's been years since Gonchar hit 10+ goals in a season. Add in his age. 3-4 goals a year is what to expect. Given that 1/24 would set him on that pace I'm not concerned. It's 1 goal off, it happens.
Gilbert- 1 goal last 40 games
Last time he hit over 3 goals was the 2010-11 season. He's on pace for 2 this year, minor.
Emelin- 2 goals last 51 games
Has never hit more than 3 goals in a season. This is par for the course for him.
Gotta have the puck before you can cycle it. Habs' forwards rarely have coordinated rushes. It's usually one forward going into the o-zone by himself with no one to pass to, then forced to dump it in. But I don't even think the overall problem is with the forwards, I think it starts with our D. We have a surplus of superior PMDs -- Subban, Markov, Gilbert, Gonchar, Beaulieu -- who nevertheless have trouble doing what their skill set says they should be able to do: Skating the puck out of our zone. Instead, most of our defence get outmuscled along the boards and have to rush their passes, resulting in a stretch pass or icing. Also, the D collapses around Price instead of attacking the opposing forwards, which leaves them further back with more ground to make up. Our forwards are caught between back-checking deep in our zone and rushing up ice, which is why we don't often see a controlled entry into the o-zone. They're always playing catch-up.
What would help our D's mobility and skill is a physical presence to create space for them to move. Tinordi would be great; I'm still hoping to see him soon. With a better balance of size and strength to complement our D's speed we could play a less timid game, gain control faster, and our forwards could have more confidence skating up ice, hence more set-ups and cycles in the o-zone.
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In 13 games this years, the Habs scored 1 goal or less in regulation time...and yet, the managed to get 13 points out of those games.
Can Carey Price play on the PP?
Can Carey Price play on the PP?
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2) But Beaulieu said he's gonna be a 50pts guy in a couple seasons, no worries
He is close to Subban caliber when it comes to puck possession, but yeah, at some point if he doesn't start producing, MB will need to make a call on this one.
4) Worst thing is, 5 out of our 6 D are considered offensive D, while only 2 of them are getting the job done, as you've mentionned.
So I don't mean to be a downer... really I don't.
I've been a DIE HARD Habs fan since 1974, but there are a lot of issues if you look closely with this team. We are trending the right way but we aren't TRUE contenders yet imo.
We have the best goalie in the world.
We have a franchise Dman.
We don't have a #1 center...yet.
MT delaying Galchenyuk's development at center was understandable for the first few years... now it's time to put him there and KEEP him there.
MT has NEVER had a 4th line...EVER..how can you when you it's like a revolving door.
MT has never developed youngsters, his love for the vets is beyond any logical comprhension. How can kids like Thomas gain any confidence when they are a top 6 player playing big minutes through their entire careers and then be placed on the 4th line with grinders playing 5-7 minutes a night...it's not their ROLE!
We are not tough enough.... we don't establish a net front presence and we can't get dirty or secondary scoring chances. Guys like DD and Gallagher can be pushed aside so easily.
We've been very lucky on the injury front, but you have to wonder the sense of a coach that plays guys like Markov and Gonchar so many minutes during the regular season...what do they have in the tank?
MB has done wonders, his biggest successes imo has been changing the culture and giving the team back to the fans through things like 1909 and 24CH.... we are out of the darkness of the Gainey, Gauthier era and getting closer to #25!
We aren't there just yet.... but in the playoffs.... well.... who can guess.
I've been a DIE HARD Habs fan since 1974, but there are a lot of issues if you look closely with this team. We are trending the right way but we aren't TRUE contenders yet imo.
We have the best goalie in the world.
We have a franchise Dman.
We don't have a #1 center...yet.
MT delaying Galchenyuk's development at center was understandable for the first few years... now it's time to put him there and KEEP him there.
MT has NEVER had a 4th line...EVER..how can you when you it's like a revolving door.
MT has never developed youngsters, his love for the vets is beyond any logical comprhension. How can kids like Thomas gain any confidence when they are a top 6 player playing big minutes through their entire careers and then be placed on the 4th line with grinders playing 5-7 minutes a night...it's not their ROLE!
We are not tough enough.... we don't establish a net front presence and we can't get dirty or secondary scoring chances. Guys like DD and Gallagher can be pushed aside so easily.
We've been very lucky on the injury front, but you have to wonder the sense of a coach that plays guys like Markov and Gonchar so many minutes during the regular season...what do they have in the tank?
MB has done wonders, his biggest successes imo has been changing the culture and giving the team back to the fans through things like 1909 and 24CH.... we are out of the darkness of the Gainey, Gauthier era and getting closer to #25!
We aren't there just yet.... but in the playoffs.... well.... who can guess.
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You said it yourself, we have superior PMDs. It's actually pretty awesome, PK, Markov, Gonchar, Beaulieu, Gilbert are all amazing, great, good, pretty decent, at moving the puck. Isn't it bizarre that those guys are struggling moving the puck?? You think it's because we don't have a bigger guy?? That's what Murray was and we were worse last year. Our players aren't the problem.
We should be one of the best teams to transition the puck up. You really don't have that many D squads in the NHL that can compare to our level of puck moving skills.
Really makes no sense that we struggle so much. Our coverage, positioning and strategy are the issues.
