GM Chuck Fletcher (Part 2)

[hatcher]

So according to you, the Flyers have not ever outplayed any team in years. They've just lazily let us win like losers.

They don't outplay much in the last 4 years and how could they? Slow with no forecheck doesn't equal outplaying anyone. Not there fault it's poorly contructed.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They don't outplay much in the last 4 years and how could they? Slow with no forecheck doesn't equal outplaying anyone. Not there fault it's poorly contructed.

Right, thanks for firmly proving once again that your hatred of the Flyers is beyond any form of logic or reason.

 

[hatcher]

Right, thanks for firmly proving once again that your hatred of the Flyers is beyond any form of logic or reason.

You don't agree which is fine.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

You guys think Fletch can lure stall to Philly?

 

[The Madrigal]

Weal is definitely worth more than a 6th. Come on. A 6th is essentially nothing. It's not the greatest start.

LMAO, have you watched Weal play hockey? He's garbage and doesn't belong in the NHL. He is also a pending UFA who they had zero plans of bringing back. Getting anything of value for him was a good move.

 

[wasup]

You guys think Fletch can lure stall to Philly?

I flippin hope not .

 

[hatcher]

Have you watched Jordan Weal play hockey? He's garbage and doesn't belong in the NHL. He is also a pending UFA who they had zero plans of bringing back. Getting anything of value for him was a good move.

Give that away for free.lol

 

[Beef Invictus]

Have you watched Jordan Weal play hockey? He's garbage and doesn't belong in the NHL. He is also a pending UFA who they had zero plans of bringing back. Getting anything of value for him was a good move.

If Rinaldo can get a 3rd there's no reason Weal cannot get higher than a 6th.


It's an eyebrow raiser when you consider that we are going to have to move excess prospects to make the roster better. What value will Fletcher be getting?

 

[gertbfrobe16]

and everywhere i go, their's always something to remind me, of another place and time....................

 

[The Madrigal]

If Rinaldo can get a 3rd there's no reason Weal cannot get higher than a 6th.

A. Rinaldo was still young and not a pending UFA. Do I really need to tell you that being a pending UFA lowers a players trade value? He was also a more effective 4th liner at the time than Weal is now. Weal is a scorer who isn't good enough to play on an NHL scoring line, but doesn't have the right skill set to contribute to a team on a 3rd or 4th line. He belongs in the AHL. At least Rinaldo was a guy who could give a team energy, throw his body around, and drop the gloves when needed at a time when that still had some impact on the game.

B. Just because you can come up with one example of a team overpaying and making a bad trade, doesn't mean everyone else will.

C. Even IF Weal is the quality 4th liner you are making him out to be, bitching over Fletcher getting a 6th for him instead of a 5th is extremely pretty and shows that you and others simply aren't willing to give him any type of chance.

 

[The Madrigal]

Give that away for free.lol

No way man, Weal is awesome. Flyers should have at least gotten a 3rd or 4th round pick for him. Fletcher is obviously a terrible GM

 

[Beef Invictus]

A. Rinaldo was still young and not a pending UFA. Do I really need to tell you that being a pending UFA lowers a players trade value? He was also a more effective 4th liner at the time than Weal is now. Weal is a scorer who isn't good enough to play on an NHL scoring line, but doesn't have the right skill set to contribute to a team on a 3rd or 4th line. He belongs in the AHL. At least Rinaldo was a guy who could give a team energy, throw his body around, and drop the gloves when needed at a time when that still had some impact on the game.

B. Just because you can come up with one example of a team overpaying and making a bad trade, doesn't mean everyone else will.

C. Even IF Weal is the quality 4th liner you are making him out to be, *****ing over Fletcher getting a 6th for him instead of a 5th is extremely pretty and shows that you and others simply aren't willing to give him any type of chance.

And how long do you plan on ignoring all red flags? What is the cutoff? A 6th is nothingness. Playoff teams are more than happy to get players like Weal for a 3rd or 4th.


My joking about firing him aside (Which began the moment he was hired), I have nothing against Fletcher. Despite your hysterical insistence I do. He hasn't proven much either way. However, it is pointless to ignore that he refused to call up any extra dman leaving the roster with only 6, and it is pointless to ignore that he didn't get value here.

 

[Striiker]

Madrigal just hates Hextall so much he's going to turd polish every single thing Fletcher does so he looks better by comparison.

 

[deadhead]

Well, so far Fletcher hasn't screwed up, so there's that.
I'm happy with anything they get for Weal, Weise and Folin, and if he can dump MacDonald without costing much.
Lehtera is just a matter of waiting for his expiration date.

 

[The Madrigal]

And how long do you plan on ignoring all red flags? What is the cutoff? A 6th is nothingness. Playoff teams are more than happy to get players like Weal for a 3rd or 4th.

What red flags are you referring to? Firing the coach Hextall wouldn't, or calling up the 20 year old goalie Hextall wouldn't who has made the team better? I see zero red flags but even if there were, I don't know, I think I'd give him more than 2 months before I start passing judgment. Especially when you consider the mess of a team he inherited.

As far as playoff teams being more than happy to give up 3rd and 4th round picks for "players like Weal" you are massively overrating him as a player. Quality 3rd/4th liners get that type of return for a playoff return, not fringe NHL players who belong in the AHL. Furthermore, try using common sense. If there were teams lining up to give up a 3rd or 4th for Weal, Fletcher would have gotten a 3rd or a 4th. I honestly can't even believe I am having this conversation with someone because it's that ridiculous.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What red flags are you referring to? Firing the coach Hextall wouldn't, or calling up the 20 year old goalie Hextall wouldn't who has made the team better? I see zero red flags but even if there were, I don't know, I think I'd give him more than 2 months before I start passing judgment. Especially when you consider the mess of a team he inherited.

As far as playoff teams being more than happy to give up 3rd and 4th round picks for "players like Weal" you are massively overrating him as a player. Quality 3rd/4th liners get that type of return for a playoff return, not fringe NHL players who belong in the AHL. Furthermore, try using common sense. If there were teams lining up to give up a 3rd or 4th for Weal, Fletcher would have gotten a 3rd or a 4th. I honestly can't even believe I am having this conversation with someone because it's that ridiculous.

I'm referring to not bringing up Myers when there was ample opportunity and need and getting lesser value. These are red flags. You can cease with the strawman arguments by the way, that you have to resort to that shows the weakness of your position on its own merits.

They aren't team shattering or anything, but they are behaviors attributable to the GM and thus should not be ignored. We aren't talking a first time GM learning his way, either. Your logic about getting value if it is there also doesn't hold up. Exhibit A: Chiarelli. GM's automatically getting appropriate value is not a given. It's a thing they have to work for. Some of them are better at it than others. While we try to establish where Fletcher stands on that spectrum, ignoring trades because you want to pretend value is automatic is weird.

 

[TCTC]

A 6th isn't worth a lot but neither is Jordan Weal. We can't expect other GM's to overpay for our rejects all the time.

 

[Outlaw Samurai]

Fletch not doing a panic trade which bends us over is obviously good.

Fletch not calling up Myers isn't great. Worth complaining about, but not enough to warrant pure hatred.

Weal for a 6th? Ehhhh...not great but it's not keeping me up at night.

I'll reserve harsher criticism or praise once the bigger moves come.

 

[FlyTimmo]

Fletcher has basically been a Hextall clone since he arrived, in that, he hasn't done anything.

 

[TCTC]

Fletcher has basically been a Hextall clone since he arrived, in that, he hasn't done anything.

Tbf, it's middle of the season. Not exactly the best time for a roster overhaul. We'll see what happens in the summer. I expect a lot to happen.

 

[Outlaw Samurai]

At least these last few games have been fun. Scoring goals is entertaining!! Who knew?

Trying to be patient with the call ups but man it's getting hard (that's what she said).

Tiring watching AMac and Hagg ice the puck constantly and fail at zone exits.

Haven't we been through enough? Holy f***, give us Myers and NAK at least.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

If Rinaldo can get a 3rd there's no reason Weal cannot get higher than a 6th.


It's an eyebrow raiser when you consider that we are going to have to move excess prospects to make the roster better. What value will Fletcher be getting?

Come on man, using the Rinaldo trade as a comparison isn’t fair. Boston just blinked and Hextall took advantage.
Sure he could of gotten a better pick for Weal. But I couldn’t imagine more than a 4th. I dont think he will be anymore than what he is now.

 

[Outlaw Samurai]

 

[Peacekeeper]

Rinaldo was an exciting player whether you want to admit it or not, esp to a team like Boston. When he was on the ice you watched Rinaldo just to see who he’s gonna check

Weal sucked and didn’t bring anything to the table

 

[FlyTimmo]

Tbf, it's middle of the season. Not exactly the best time for a roster overhaul. We'll see what happens in the summer. I expect a lot to happen.

When you are in the basement of the NHL on a team that hasn't been relevant in 5+ years, anytime is a good time for a roster overhaul.

I was just making a joke though, I'm fine with Fletch so far.