Post-Game Talk: [GM 30] Canucks lose to Jets | 1-5 | Horvat

[PuckMunchkin]

Just heard the interview with allvin
Credit to scott oak for at least trying, allvin dodged everything professionally

Everything related to team building.

He happily called out things that fall under Bruce's domain.

 

[m9]

Sat pretty fired up on the post-game show, probably the most amped I've heard him. Main target for him was the leadership core including Horvat.

 

[racerjoe]

Sat pretty fired up on the post-game show, probably the most amped I've heard him. Main target for him was the leadership core including Horvat.

I didn't listen could you expand a bit?

Please and thank you.

 

[m9]

I didn't listen could you expand a bit?

Please and thank you.

Take this as very loose paraphrasing, as it was a bit earlier I listened. But, he called out Horvat as a guy who is putting up numbers but is doing nothing in terms of leadership or doing things leading to wins. Also commented how he doesn't want to hear about adding a type of player who gets the team going (used Motte last year as an example) as the leaders/core should be doing that themselves.

They (Bik/Sat) went in a fair bit on this core in general and how it's stale and changes need to be made.

There was more but it was all along those lines. I have listened to most post-game shows this year and I'm sure there was similar frustration in October but this was extremely negative compared to the last month or so. Definitely the most negative I've heard about Horvat.

 

[theguardianII]

Had to wait before posting, lots of analyzing that game. NOT!

What a horrible game to watch, both teams played like crud.
Vancouver looked like they were trying to keep Winnipeg from scoring and forgot all about playing hockey.

Almost surpassing description it was so bad.

But surprise surprise that is what tanking looks like.

It is hard to complain when they are doing what, "we the fans" want them to do.

Complaining makes us two faced.

IMO it is the message from the management that is causing all the angry and disgust with a game like that. If they said they were going to rebuild the fans would be applauding games like that, where there was absolutely no hope or effort to win.

EMBRACE THE RESULT!!!! THAT WAS TANKING!!!

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

Oh no it will be far worse because by then Bo and Luke will be long gone...

Until they leave I'm going to refer to them as "the Duke Boys."

 

[thenextone]

Take this as very loose paraphrasing, as it was a bit earlier I listened. But, he called out Horvat as a guy who is putting up numbers but is doing nothing in terms of leadership or doing things leading to wins. Also commented how he doesn't want to hear about adding a type of player who gets the team going (used Motte last year as an example) as the leaders/core should be doing that themselves.

They (Bik/Sat) went in a fair bit on this core in general and how it's stale and changes need to be made.

There was more but it was all along those lines. I have listened to most post-game shows this year and I'm sure there was similar frustration in October but this was extremely negative compared to the last month or so. Definitely the most negative I've heard about Horvat.

Is he wrong? Horvat is scoring goals but not driving play or making his linemates better. He is going through the motions in a contract year despite being the C. Maybe he’s over it or he’s pissed about not getting the $ he wanted. Either way, the poor starts and inconsistent play is a reflection of the leaders. There is a huge void in leadership and with the loss of Tanev, Markstrom, Edler it has become glaring. The team has been dog meat since the bubble but we keep committing.

The only guy who deeply seems to care about wins is EP. Build around him and hope some of the secondary guys like Hoglander, Kuzmenko, Pod etc can form a reasonable top 9. The defense needs to be entire rebuilt, but it can’t be around Hughes. They need a more well rounded #1D. If Demko is done then the rebuild should begin now.

I think at some point we need to forget about getting great value. Horvat, Miller, Pearson for picks. Find someone to take OEL. Buyout Myers. Start from scratch.

 

[m9]

Is he wrong? Horvat is scoring goals but not driving play or making his linemates better. He is going through the motions in a contract year despite being the C. Maybe he’s over it or he’s pissed about not getting the $ he wanted. Either way, the poor starts and inconsistent play is a reflection of the leaders. There is a huge void in leadership and with the loss of Tanev, Markstrom, Edler it has become glaring. The team has been dog meat since the bubble but we keep committing.

He's not wrong.

The only guy who deeply seems to care about wins is EP.

Maybe. It wasn't that long ago that he was the one last year pouting because he wasn't scoring goals himself.

 

[Petey But Really Jim]

Until they leave I'm going to refer to them as "the Duke Boys."

Kinda love this

 

[Nucker101]

Take this as very loose paraphrasing, as it was a bit earlier I listened. But, he called out Horvat as a guy who is putting up numbers but is doing nothing in terms of leadership or doing things leading to wins. Also commented how he doesn't want to hear about adding a type of player who gets the team going (used Motte last year as an example) as the leaders/core should be doing that themselves.

They (Bik/Sat) went in a fair bit on this core in general and how it's stale and changes need to be made.

There was more but it was all along those lines. I have listened to most post-game shows this year and I'm sure there was similar frustration in October but this was extremely negative compared to the last month or so. Definitely the most negative I've heard about Horvat.

Need them to direct that same energy toward ownership/management, the people who decided to double down on this group.

 

[Zippgunn]

Wouldn't even need to sign Holtby, we're already paying him!

Still?

But, he called out Horvat as a guy who is putting up numbers but is doing nothing in terms of leadership or doing things leading to wins. Also commented how he doesn't want to hear about adding a type of player who gets the team going (used Motte last year as an example) as the leaders/core should be doing that themselves.

I know what a bum he couldn't score 4 more goals to get us even. Meanwhile nobody seems to want to comment on Miller whose contract is quickly turning into the worst contract this team has ever signed and who hasn't done jack squat in a week. It's apparently also Horvat's fault our goalie played an .815 game. I'm hoping he pulls a Willie Mitchell on us once discarded. Maybe he'll bring the Cup to Vancouver when he wins it with his new team...

 

[Nucker101]

Tough loss last night. I think Horvat for Newhook and Schenn for a pick will help improve the team and also shut up the stupid rebuild fans.

I’d then use the Schenn pick to trade for a healthy scratch dman who needs a fresh start and maybe sign another winger in free agency.

Perfect re-tool on the fly.

Hopefully Boudreau won’t keep holding this team back.

 

[Sedinery]

This franchise was doomed the moment the the Aquas took control …. Literally

 

[m9]

Still?

I know what a bum he couldn't score 4 more goals to get us even. Meanwhile nobody seems to want to comment on Miller whose contract is quickly turning into the worst contract this team has ever signed and who hasn't done jack squat in a week. It's apparently also Horvat's fault our goalie played an .815 game. I'm hoping he pulls a Willie Mitchell on us once discarded. Maybe he'll bring the Cup to Vancouver when he wins it with his new team...

You don't think Miller gets criticized?

 

[Zippgunn]

You don't think Miller gets criticized?

From where I sit they get criticized about equally which is insane if you watch the games. They are polar opposites during the games.

 

[racerjoe]

You don't think Miller gets criticized?

It was a tell me you don't read these boards... or Canuck stuff anywhere without saying you don't read boards or Canuck info...

 

[Zippgunn]

This franchise was doomed the moment the the Aquas took control …. Literally

I remember the struggle for ownership and thinking that it didn't bode well for this franchise...

 

[ahmon]

I legit do not understand their aversion to rebuilding. Like its not a full on tear it down - Pete, Hughes, Kuzmenko can be the older part of the core while the add for expiring deals.

The Horvat trade should ideally land a 1st + Solid prospect + expiring cap dump (or just retain).

I can see it now the "well we ran out of time" and "its hard to make trades" at the TDL conference when neither Bo or Schenn get traded

rebuilding is just a loose term that can mean very different things to different people.
It can mean anything from trading everyone and accumulating picks to moving most of the big contracts save the big 3. If Allvin said we are rebuilding what does that even mean? why its so important?

If anything the management has basically said changes need to happen ever since they took the role.

I care less about what they say, what they do is far more important. So far they resigned JT because they couldn't trade him and had to bend to keep an asset. Boeser was flat out a mistake.

Unless they trade Miller, they kind of committed themselves to a quick turnaround - not just any turnaround, but a turnaround that requires Miller to be good.

How they handle Horvat, and players like Boeser, Myers, Schenn, along with what we have seen will give us a pretty good idea of the competence of this management very soon.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Seeing how badly they were being outshot in the 1st you just knew it wasn't going to be a good game. When it became 3-0 in the 2nd that's when I turned it off, they were being dominated all game, people want playoffs but seeing how much better the Jets were than the Canucks, this team is not playoff caliber even if they squeak in, Jets would win 4 straight easily.

 

[Delocatedfan]

It's not just about age, but contracts as well. Sure, EP, Hughes and Kuz leading a future, yet to be added core, sounds nice... but it's awfully wishful.

EP has already been difficult in negotiations, Hughes is American, which doesn't historically bode well for staying above the border, and Kuz is a wildcard. These guys aren't much different age wise to Bo/JT/Demko at the end of their current deals.

The 'futures' acquired, if keeping guys like EP/Hughes, better be ready to be presents, really damn fast. Otherwise, it's the same discussion all over again, just different name bars.

Sure but trotting out the same group over & over is what Benning tried for his 8 year tenure while adding fringe pieces. It just doesn't work imho.

 

[VanJack]

Win or lose, the 'big picture' is that this team simply isn't good enough defensively to be much more than afterthought in the playoff race.

I mean when was the last time a team in the bottom-five of the league in terms of goals against; and with the worst PK in the league; ever made the playoffs? I doubt that it's ever happened.

The Canucks surrendered five or six 'grade A' chances before the game was five minutes old last night. And it's pretty obvious how teams like the Jets are playing the Canucks.....they just lock it down and wait for the Canucks to start coughing up the puck; make a bad line change or take a penalty they can't kill. It works every time.

And after 30 games, it's safe to say that this is who the Canucks are. They'll struggle to get to .500--which of course won't be nearly good enough to be in the top eight in the Western Conference.

So the only thing left of interest in this season is the TDL and the draft. Another lost year, with both Petey and Hughes closer to free agency.

 

[Oliewud]

This franchise was doomed the moment the the Aquas took control …. Literally

trust fund baby with no business expertise is bad for running a team? are u sure?

 

[Diogenes92]

Tough loss last night. I think Horvat for Newhook and Schenn for a pick will help improve the team and also shut up the stupid rebuild fans.

I’d then use the Schenn pick to trade for a healthy scratch dman who needs a fresh start and maybe sign another winger in free agency.

Perfect re-tool on the fly.

Hopefully Boudreau won’t keep holding this team back.

Yeah. Trade more draft picks for waiver fodder garbage just like Jimmy B!

Solid plan.

 

[Sedinery]

I remember the struggle for ownership and thinking that it didn't bode well for this franchise...

To think we could have been run and owned like the Stars

 

[Petey But Really Jim]

Win or lose, the 'big picture' is that this team simply isn't good enough defensively to be much more than afterthought in the playoff race.

I mean when was the last time a team in the bottom-five of the league in terms of goals against; and with the worst PK in the league; ever made the playoffs? I doubt that it's ever happened.

The Canucks surrendered five or six 'grade A' chances before the game was five minutes old last night. And it's pretty obvious how teams like the Jets are playing the Canucks.....they just lock it down and wait for the Canucks to start coughing up the puck; make a bad line change or take a penalty they can't kill. It works every time.

And after 30 games, it's safe to say that this is who the Canucks are. They'll struggle to get to .500--which of course won't be nearly good enough to be in the top eight in the Western Conference.

So the only thing left of interest in this season is the TDL and the draft. Another lost year, with both Petey and Hughes closer to free agency.

I hope someone can answer this.