Recalled/Assigned: Get Out Your Parkas... There's a Frost Warning (Morgan Frost Recalled 11/18)

[deadhead]

Frost is pretty much as advertised, exciting player who goes MIA for stretches, he's improved defensively but still has some head scratching turnovers. He certainly adds a valuable dimension to this team, but I'd be wary of putting too much on his plate this season, he needs to get used to NHL speed and windows.

Getting Hayes closer to 100% will help Frost, as he can settle into a 3C role and not feel the pressure to live up to the hype.
And if he can be a solid 3C, it allows Laughton to stay at LW, where he just seems more comfortable without the demands of playing center.

 

[DancingPanther]

Better defensively

 

[Beef Invictus]

Lambasting the guy who has been the most creative passer on the team because of a few turnovers

 

[BillDineen]

Lambasting the guy who has been the most creative passer on the team because of a few turnovers

"Cute" turnovers as well. Must squash creativity as Torts preaches.

 

[deadhead]

I thought Giroux was the most creative passer, I think Frost has a ways to go to approach G.
Or have you already thrown him into the dumpster?

Creative playmaking and avoiding bad turnovers are not mutually exclusive - it's just a matter of pattern recognition and knowing when a window is closing. There are no Russian judges to impress, they don't give you extra goals for creativity. The object is to make plays for your team, not the opponent.

The one thing I hope Yeo cures on this team are "blind passes," too often I see a Flyer passing to an area instead of a player, or make a pass blindly with their head down instead of calming surveying the ice. This is just as bad as the reflex "off the boards" pass out of the D-zone that teams now pinch and intercept on a regular basis. You're allowed to look at where you're going to pass the puck, and even note where the opposing players are on the ice.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I thought Giroux was the most creative passer, I think Frost has a ways to go to approach G.
Or have you already thrown him into the dumpster?

Creative playmaking and avoiding bad turnovers are not mutually exclusive - it's just a matter of pattern recognition and knowing when a window is closing. There are no Russian judges to impress, they don't give you extra goals for creativity. The object is to make plays for your team, not the opponent.

The one thing I hope Yeo cures on this team are "blind passes," too often I see a Flyer passing to an area instead of a player, or make a pass blindly with their head down instead of calming surveying the ice. This is just as bad as the reflex "off the boards" pass out of the D-zone that teams now pinch and intercept on a regular basis. You're allowed to look at where you're going to pass the puck, and even note where the opposing players are on the ice.

Frost has been more creative than Giroux in transition these last several games. Which has been really ideal for controlled entry. His backhand passing is better than any we've seen in a long time, and the angles he's passed to accurately backhanded are nuts.

These are the cute skills your boys Fletcher and Flahr want to eliminate from his game in their quest to make him yet another bland, boring, "safe" player.

 

[Appleyard]

On balance has arguably been the teams best 5v5 player since being called up...

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Frost sucks Minshew should start next game.

 

[Beef Invictus]

One thing Frost doesn't have now, and which may be the difference between him being a top six player or a middle six player, is figuring out space at the NHL level.

 

[deadhead]

One thing Frost doesn't have now, and which may be the difference between him being a top six player or a middle six player, is figuring out space at the NHL level.

He also hesitates a lot, like he's not sure whether he can make the play.
That will come with experience.
But being "safe" doesn't mean you can't be creative, it just means "a man's got to know his limitations."

The windows are smaller and the players are smarter - i.e. if you have a "tell" on your passes, opposing players will study film, recognize your tendencies and jump your passes. You have to recognize how the play is developing, not just the man you want to pass to, but which defender is capable of jumping the passing lane - and "he who hesitates is lost." So you have to process quickly.

Smart players play the odds, they don't push their luck, try and make low percentage plays and turn the puck over.
Sometimes the smart thing is to keep the cycle going and hope for another opportunity to make a play.
Where experience matters is recognizing what is a low percentage play v a prime scoring opportunity.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He also hesitates a lot, like he's not sure whether he can make the play.
That will come with experience.
But being "safe" doesn't mean you can't be creative, it just means "a man's got to know his limitations."

The windows are smaller and the players are smarter - i.e. if you have a "tell" on your passes, opposing players will study film, recognize your tendencies and jump your passes. You have to recognize how the play is developing, not just the man you want to pass to, but which defender is capable of jumping the passing lane - and "he who hesitates is lost." So you have to process quickly.

Smart players play the odds, they don't push their luck, try and make low percentage plays and turn the puck over.
Sometimes the smart thing is to keep the cycle going and hope for another opportunity to make a play.
Where experience matters is recognizing what is a low percentage play v a prime scoring opportunity.

I suspect the hesitation is still adjusting to NHL time and space. Or I hope it is. I'm not sure I need two Hayesbrains

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Frost is pretty much as advertised, exciting player who goes MIA for stretches, he's improved defensively but still has some head scratching turnovers. He certainly adds a valuable dimension to this team, but I'd be wary of putting too much on his plate this season, he needs to get used to NHL speed and windows.

Getting Hayes closer to 100% will help Frost, as he can settle into a 3C role and not feel the pressure to live up to the hype.
And if he can be a solid 3C, it allows Laughton to stay at LW, where he just seems more comfortable without the demands of playing center.

WHAT HYPE??? If you try to be creative you will have more turnovers. Hayes isnt creative and slow and makes turnovers. Tell me who is better!

 

[MorgantiDrinksBlood]

Am I the only one who see's Mike Ribiero when I watch Frost play as in he's really slick like him lol? He's clearly really talented, but as a lot of people said he needs to work on taking and knowing space better. That will only come by playing in the NHL not playing in the AHL, hopefully he figures it all out he could be a really valuable piece to help with the rebuild.

 

[Magua]

There was a play on the PP the other day where Frost was hit on a slingshot, and he just effortlessly got across the blue line and around a defender, then could've juked another defender, but you could see the wheels turning: "Oh, better not make a skilled play. Play it safe. What's safe? Uh, chip into the corner?" Like it looked so unnatural for a highly skilled player like Frost. But yet, it had the oh so natural look of "Flyers Development." No chance in hell his hockey sense told him that was the best play.

 

[Beef Invictus]

There was a play on the PP the other day where Frost was hit on a slingshot, and he just effortlessly got across the blue line and around a defender, then could've juked another defender, but you could see the wheels turning: "Oh, better not make a skilled play. Play it safe. What's safe? Uh, chip into the corner?" Like it looked so unnatural for a highly skilled player like Frost. But yet, it had the oh so natural look of "Flyers Development." No chance in hell his hockey sense told him that was the best play.

Now let's imagine the amount of fleshmetal shavings in Couturier's skull while playing an anti-possession, anti-defense system.

He may not have any gears left.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Now let's imagine the amount of fleshmetal shavings in Couturier's skull while playing an anti-possession, anti-defense system.

He may not have any gears left.

Must be why, he likes Nate so much.

 

[Appleyard]

 

[Starat327]

Is this bust territory? Asking for a friend.

 

[Curufinwe]

That first page feels like a hundred years ago now.