George McPhee an awful GM

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don't think he did a good job.I didn't like the team he compiled. I didn't think they were very talented. I didn't like his draft that much.

Now, it is true that his team had an excellent season and many players played better than expected, but is that because of the GM? I'm not sure it is.

 

[lasvegascopper]

I don't think he did a good job.I didn't like the team he compiled. I didn't think they were very talented. I didn't like his draft that much.

Now, it is true that his team had an excellent season and many players played better than expected, but is that because of the GM? I'm not sure it is.

You have two choices...magic beans or McPhee. I'm thinking McPhee had a better concept of talent than you.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You have two choices...magic beans or McPhee. I'm thinking McPhee had a better concept of talent than you.

Lets see where your team finishes next season. I suspect it'll be near the bottom of the league.

And I wouldn't call it magic beans. I think your team had a very lucky season, and they were very well coached by one of the league's best coaches.

 

[romao]

Lets see where your team finishes next season. I suspect it'll be near the bottom of the league.

And I wouldn't call it magic beans. I think your team had a very lucky season, and they were very well coached by one of the league's best coaches.

The thing is that good coach was also hired by McPhee. Its part of his job to find proper coach. So if you think Gallant did great, you should give credit GMGM for that hiring as well

 

[txpd]

He also drafted Gustafsson and Schultz before those picks in their respective drafts. So yeah, there was some luck involved with those picks

The Gustafsson thing was a bust. No question. The Schultz thing though makes perfect sense. The Caps wanted Schultz rather than Fistric. They apparently knew that Dallas would take one of those two. Knowing that Green was safe, they took Schultz. Schultz had more of an NHL career than Fistric.

I think its important to know that Mahoney runs the Caps drafts with almost complete autonomy. So the blame for Gustafsson and the credit for Carlson for instance goes to Mahoney. McPhee gets the credit for being able to make a trade to be able to get Carlson. Lets also remember that Kuznetsov and Forsberg and Green all were judged to be better players than their draft position and fell for various reasons. Mahoney was convinced the reasons other teams shied away weren't valid.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The thing is that good coach was also hired by McPhee. Its part of his job to find proper coach. So if you think Gallant did great, you should give credit GMGM for that hiring as well

I agree, but that wasn’t what people were reacting to when this thread was started. I think most everyone felt like Gallant was a solid hire.

I tend to agree with PB that even in retrospect, a lot of those moves still look borderline crazy. Gallant did a fantastic job pulling together a group that played way, way above their talent profile. It’s not unfair to think it could be a lot tougher to sustain that level of play from 20 guys going forward than to get a single Cinderella season out of them. Maybe they make comments like these look silly again in 2019, but once again the odds seem to be against it.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Vegas has by far the worst team in the league and I'm surprised how little future assets they got for icing team that abysmal.

Methot trade is another weak trade, I was just saying that why didn't he pick Raanta/Grubauer and sell them or keep as future potential starters. They have so few valuable pieces on the roster left and just 1 2018 1st rounder, 1 2nd round pick and 0 3rd round picks.

post aged very well

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

had to look at the start date of thread

someone is eating crow

Why? Because they overachieved? Watch them be bad this year, unless they get real good players in the free agency. Neal, Perron etc are leaving because they know they'll suck/be mediocre.

They had a "it's us vs the whole world" in their first season. That feeling won't be there now.

 

[Butch 19]

I don't think he did a good job. I didn't like the team he compiled. I didn't think they were very talented. I didn't like his draft that much.

Now, it is true that his team had an excellent season and many players played better than expected, but is that because of the GM? I'm not sure it is.

The team he compiled won their division and conference playoffs - in their first year of existence!! This is not enough for you? What else did he need to do to get your seal of approval? LOL

I'm a Kings fan, so I'm glad they finally lost, but to think that GMGM didn't do a "good job" and they aren't "very talented" just shows you are carrying way too much baggage in your hatred of GMGM.

There is simply no objective performance standard where one could logically think that GMGM was a bad gm. And no, "I didn't like the team he compiled" is not a legitimate critique

 

[Butch 19]

The way McPhee handled Shipachyov was shameful and bad asset management. He should not have won GM of the year, it is more evidence that the NHL awards being a gongshow and lacking credibility.

LOL GM was the most obvious / most deserving GM of the year I've ever seen in all my years of watching hockey. AINEC!

If he didn't win GM of the year - that would be your gong show.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

The thing is that good coach was also hired by McPhee. Its part of his job to find proper coach. So if you think Gallant did great, you should give credit GMGM for that hiring as well

He should get credit for it, but i guess it's worth mentioning Gallant was a very popular option, probably the front-runner, and being a players coach and coaching the Panthers to a division title the year before it made a lot of sense. Seemed like a no-brainer to me comparing to the other candidates.

Im giving McPhee credit but definitely not handing him a feather to put on his cap for that one.

 

[John Matthews]

You're both wrong. GMGM built teams that should have gone further than they did.

I'll ask a simple question and let see who can guess the right answer. How many NHL experienced coachs did GMGM hire in almost 2 decades as a GM in 2 franchises?

Exactly 1. Gerard Gallant with Vegas
During the Ovechkin era McPhee hired 4 coaches with a grand total of ZERO games coached as an NHL head coach.
Glen Hanlon
Bruce Boudreau. He's the only one still coaching in the NHL
Dale Hunter
Adam Oates

Oates' failures finally got him sacked. First thing GMBM did was hire Trotz.

How am i wrong? Literally all i said was GMGM built high octane offensive teams. Which if you look at the numbers is a fact. So your opinion is yours but it is factually incorrect. Good laugh seeing you get all worked up though. Sullivan had a HORRID record with Boston before he went b2b with the Penguins. So yet again, you are incorrect sir.

 

[Portable Mink]

Hes really not that great.

 

[DaPhazz]

Not impressed by him...I believe he was lucky the way everything turned out.

I still remember when he picked Emelin over Hudon, only to flip him for a 4th

 

[Artorius Horus T]

This thread will be moot point less than year from now after Vegas wins their first Stanley Cup.