Prospect Info: General Prospects Thread (2015-2016 Season)

[BigG44]

I know Heika suggested it, but I don't buy that Daley and Goligoski both move the more I think about it. Sure, if Goligoski is as good as gone and they aren't going to re-sign him, I think they will consider shopping him regardless of where they are in the standings. Same is true of Demers. More and more teams that are still in the playoff mix have looked to make those type of moves because it's more important than ever to not lose guys for nothing.

Development will play a huge role though in that situation. If Jokipakka and Oleksiak both look great, and you have a guy or two in the AHL playing really well ... that makes a move much easier.

Nill doesn't seem like the type to sell right now though. I agree with Misty that I don't think Nill has made a decision on Goligoski or Demers yet. He'll want to gather more info. I think overall, Goligoski has probably been better than Daley ... especially the last two years. Gun to my head, he's not back after this season, but I think he very likely starts 2015 in a Dallas uniform and even has a reasonable chance of finishing with Dallas.

 

[Satan]

The depth in the system at first glance is relatively thin on the left wing. Does this impact the future of the club in a negative fashion? Not really. When you break it down, in the system, we’ve got 6 guys who all fill a certain need of the club in the future. When the Dallas Stars are in need of some cheap depth, these guys can be called upon.

There are only six, so it’s a lightning round of system breakdown.

Dive in on OTWinner.com

 

[petestreet]

Another huge game for Desrosiers last night - he shut out the Quebec Ramparts in a do-or-die game in the Memorial cup. The two teams play yet again tonight in a tie-breaker to see which team continues in the tourney to play against Kelowna in the semi-finals on Friday (Oshawa awaits the winner of that game). I assume that Desrosiers has the starting job from here on out, after fighting to get starts for the QMJHL playoffs and Memorial Cup so far...

 

[Satan]

Desrosiers' inconsistency continued tonight, Rimouski lost 5-2.

The 3-2 goal was basically gifted by Desro too. I was surprised that the coach kept him in the third period- so was the Sportsnet crew.

 

[petestreet]

i was hoping he'd keep winning in the big games, but alas...

 

[Satan]

System Breakdown - Centre

We've got Radek Faksa, Devin Shore, Brett Pollock and more.

More at OTWinner.com

 

[BigG44]

Is it me or does his head look photo shopped?

 

[LT]

That is a pretty awkward-looking photo

 

[BigG44]

Even though Dickinson has stated he's more comfortable at center, I think he's the first that moves to wing. Laxdal loved Faksa as his shutdown center, and you could tell he was a big Shore fan as well.

Faksa was getting pretty dominant in that shutdown role before the injury. I think he'll be the first to get promoted, especially if a guy like Fiddler gets injured/traded later in the season. If not for the injury, I think we'd be talking seriously about Faksa in a 4th line role already. You mentioned Shore needed to work on his defense, but that was the best part of his game. He actually took over the shutdown role within a game or two of joining Texas. His transition was just as seamless as Faksa's the previous season.

I know people wanted Faksa to be an all around center. So did I, but it's really impressive to me just how good Faksa and Shore could be as 3rd line, defensive centers. Shore has the added bonus of some offensive upside, and I personally think he'll be a better version of Eakin minus a bit of speed.

Dickinson was not out of place at all in the AHL. There's just no room for all the centers, and I think Faksa and Shore's defensive game is so good they'll take those spots. Dickinson's two-way game was great two if not close to equal, but he also has the best chance of being a scorer. I think they'll want him with an offensive center like Morin or Dowling to work on that side of the game.

Gemel was awesome last year. He's still one of my favorite players down there despite not being as talented as the rest of the bunch. He's got an attitude, but it's not as over the top as a Garbutt or Roussel. He's got a motor than won't stop, and he excelled in any role they asked him. He was a true jack of all trades last year, and I think we'll see that the next two years in the AHL ... a Peverley type. Of the non-top prospects, he's the one I'd put the most money on to be an NHLer ... either in Dallas or elsewhere. I hate that he fits the mold of a smart throw in on a trade. I really want to see him at the NHL level with the Stars.

Going out on a limb ...Gemel is a Roussel replacement if he reaches his potential. I think he'll have better scoring ability, similar speed, not as heavy on the PIMs but willing to fight, and he'll be just as much a fan favorite.

 

[LT]

Anyone have any idea of when the development camp will be this summer?

 

[SolidusAKA]

Even though Dickinson has stated he's more comfortable at center, I think he's the first that moves to wing. Laxdal loved Faksa as his shutdown center, and you could tell he was a big Shore fan as well.

Faksa was getting pretty dominant in that shutdown role before the injury. I think he'll be the first to get promoted, especially if a guy like Fiddler gets injured/traded later in the season. If not for the injury, I think we'd be talking seriously about Faksa in a 4th line role already. You mentioned Shore needed to work on his defense, but that was the best part of his game. He actually took over the shutdown role within a game or two of joining Texas. His transition was just as seamless as Faksa's the previous season.

I know people wanted Faksa to be an all around center. So did I, but it's really impressive to me just how good Faksa and Shore could be as 3rd line, defensive centers. Shore has the added bonus of some offensive upside, and I personally think he'll be a better version of Eakin minus a bit of speed.

Dickinson was not out of place at all in the AHL. There's just no room for all the centers, and I think Faksa and Shore's defensive game is so good they'll take those spots. Dickinson's two-way game was great two if not close to equal, but he also has the best chance of being a scorer. I think they'll want him with an offensive center like Morin or Dowling to work on that side of the game.

Gemel was awesome last year. He's still one of my favorite players down there despite not being as talented as the rest of the bunch. He's got an attitude, but it's not as over the top as a Garbutt or Roussel. He's got a motor than won't stop, and he excelled in any role they asked him. He was a true jack of all trades last year, and I think we'll see that the next two years in the AHL ... a Peverley type. Of the non-top prospects, he's the one I'd put the most money on to be an NHLer ... either in Dallas or elsewhere. I hate that he fits the mold of a smart throw in on a trade. I really want to see him at the NHL level with the Stars.

Going out on a limb ...Gemel is a Roussel replacement if he reaches his potential. I think he'll have better scoring ability, similar speed, not as heavy on the PIMs but willing to fight, and he'll be just as much a fan favorite.

Im glad other people see this too, I love Gemel and put him in all my future line ups haha, on a line with Roussel haha. I actually have a Knights jersey with his name on it

 

[Seachd]

Where will Paulovic be playing this year?

 

[Canadian Game]

Stars development camp info: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw_SS1XXxchuWng5RVRySTRYX3M/view

 

[WhoahNow]

With GMJN having stated that he considers a nhl draft a success if you can get two NHL players out of it, I wanted to look back at the Stars previous drafts to see if he would have considered them to be a success or not, just for fun.

Draft information and games played based off of HockeyDB.com

Starting at 2000 draft (too lazy to go further back):

Round (Draft number ) Player - Games Played

2000 Entry Draft

1 (25) Steve Ott - 774 GP
2 (60) Dan Ellis - 212 GP
3 (68) Joel Lundqvist - 134 GP
3 (91) Alexei Tereshenko
4 (123) Vadim Khomitski
5 (139) Ruslan Bernikov
5 (162) Artem Chernov
6 (192) Ladislav Vlcek
7 (219) Marco Tuokko
7 (224) Antti Miettinen - 539 GP

4 straight players taken from Russia in the middle of the draft and not one of them playing a game for the Stars. Steve Ott and Anti Miettinen had very solid careers with the Stars, meanwhile Lundqvist saw time in the bottom 6 forwards for a fair chunk of games, and Dan Ellis a journeyman's career as a NHL backup.

I'd call this one a success not necessarily for top end talent, but Miettinen in the 7th round is an absolute steal.


2001 Entry Draft

1 (26) Jason Bacashihua - 38 GP
3 (70) Yared Hagos
3 (92) Anthony Aquino
4 (126) Daniel Volrab
5 (161) Mike Smith - 387 GP
6 (167) Michal Blazek
6 (192) Jussi Jokinen - 741 GP
8 (255) Marco Rosa
9 (265) Dale Sullivan
9 (285) Marek Tomica

Not the greatest draft in Stars history, but Mike Smith is a starting goalie in the NHL and Jussi Jokinen has gone from a shootout specialist to having a fairly solid career. Both players traded to Tampa Bay in the Brad Richards trade interestingly enough.

2002 Entry Draft

1 (26) Martin Vagner
2 (32) Janos Vas
2 (34) Tobias Stephan - 11 GP
2 (42) Marius Holtet
2 (43) Trevor Daley - 756 GP
3 (78) Geoff Waugh
4 (110) Jarrko Immonen
5 (147) David Bararuk
6 (180) Kirill Sidorenko
7 (210) Bryan Hamm
8 (243) Tuomas Mikkonen
9 (273) Ned Havern

Trevor Daley saves the Stars from going 0 for 5 with 5 picks in the top 43. What a barf of a draft.

2003 Entry Draft

2 (33) Loui Eriksson - 643 GP
2 (36) Vojtech Polak - 5 GP
2 (54) B.J. Crombeen - 445 GP
3 (99) Matt Nickerson - 0 GP
4 (134) Alexander Naurov - 0 GP
5 (144) Eero Kilpelainen - 0 GP
5 (165) Gino Guyer - 0 GP
6 (185) Francis Wathier - 10 GP
6 (195) Drew Bagnall - 2 GP
6 (196) Elias Granath - 0 GP
8 (259) Niko Vainio - 0 GP

Love me some Loui Eriksson, will always be one of my favourite players ever to suit up for the Stars. BJ Crombeen 445 games in the NHL surprised me, technically 2 NHL players so would be a success in what is considered to be one of the better draft years of all time. I still feel like I misspelled Eero Kilpelainen somehow...

2004 Entry Draft

1 (28) Mark Fistric - 325 GP
2 (34) Johan Fransson
2 (52) Raymond Sawada - 11 GP
2 (56) Nicklas Grossmann - 531
3 (86) John Lammers
4 (104) Fredrik Naslund
6 (183) Trevor Ludwig
7 (218) Sergei Kukushkin
8 (248) Lukas Vomela
9 (280) Matt McKnight

Stars get two defensive defencemen out of this draft, nothing too exciting or notable. I always felt that Grossman (as he was known with the Stars) went a little under appreciated as a Star with his defensive play.

2005 Entry Draft

1 (28) Matt Niskanen - 573 GP
2 (33) James Neal - 480 GP
3 (71) Richard Clune - 120 GP
3 (75) Perttu Lindgren - 1 GP
5 (146) Tom Wandell - 229 GP
5 (160) Matt Watkins - 1 GP
7 (223) Pat McGann

Matt Niskanen and James Neal are two quality NHL players (and the two pieces responsible for Alex Goligoski). Richard Clune and Tom Wandell having their smaller careers as bottom 6 role players. Always had high hopes for Perttu Lindgren, but it just never materialized in the NHL unfortunately.

2006 Entry Draft

1 (27) Ivan Vishnevsky - 5 GP
3 (90) Aaron Snow
4 (120) Richard Bachman - 41 GP
5 (138) David Mcintyre - 7 GP
5 (150) Max Warn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDBGetIsg_4

2007 Entry Draft

2 (50) Nico Sacchetti
3 (64) Sergei Korostin
4 (112) Colton Sceviour - 99 GP
5 (128) Austin Smith
5 (129) Jamie Benn - 426 GP
5 (136) Ondrej Roman
5 (149) Michael Neal
6 (172) Luke Gazdic - 107 GP

Colton Sceviour finally coming into the NHL as a decent role player after a great AHL career. This draft has to be a success for drafting your future captain and Art Ross winning player at 129th overall with Benn. Benn's HF Prospect Talent Score 7.5C....mmmmk

2008 Entry Draft

2 (59) Tyler Beskorowany
3 (89) Scott Winkler
5 (149) Philip Larsen - 125 GP
6 (176) Matt Tassone
7 (209) Mike Bergin

Not really too much to talk about with this one, Stars took a project goalie with their first pick, and Larsen the only player to have a taste of the NHL.

2009 Entry Draft

1 (8) Scott Glennie - 1 GP
2 (38) Alex Chaisson - 162 GP
3 (69) Reilly Smith - 203 GP
5 (129) Tomas Vincour - 95 GP
6 (159) Curtis McKenzie - 36 GP

I mean if Glennie doesn't bust so hard, then that's actually quite a great draft with every player taken getting at least one game played in the NHL. Chaisson and Smith being key pieces in trades for Spezza and Seguin respectively, and McKenzie proving to be solid role player currently.

2010 Entry Draft

1 (11) Jack Campbell - 1 GP
2 (41) Patrik Nemeth - 30 GP
3 (77) Alexander Guptill
4 (109) Alex Theriau
5 (131) John Klingberg - 65 GP

Again another first round mishap, but this is Campbells make or break it year with the Stars. Nemeth and Klingberg are both awesome and great picks.

2011 Entry Draft

1 (14) Jamieson Oleksiak - 59 GP
2 (44) Brett Ritchie - 31 GP
4 (105) Emil Molin
5 (135) Troy Vance
6 (165) Matej Stransky
7 (195) Jyrki Jokipakka - 51 GP

Probably still too early to tell, but all 3 of Oleksiak, Ritchie, and Jokipakka should see NHL games either with the Stars or some other team so that's got to be counted as a success. Can't go wrong drafting the best name in the NHL with the 195th overall.

2012 Entry Draft

1 (13) Radek Faksa
2 (43) Ludwig Bystrom
2 (54) Mike Winther
2 (61) Devin Shore
3 (74) Esa Lindell
4 (104) Gemel Smith
5 (134) Branden Troock
5 (144) Henri Kiviaho
7 (183) Dmitry Sinitsyn

Clearly too early to tell for this draft. Faksa, Bystrom, Shore, Lindell all have a great shot of playing in the NHL eventually with players like Smith, Troock, and Sinitsyn having outside chances. Excited to see what we get out of Lindell this year!

2013 Entry Draft

1 (10) Valeri Nichushkin - 87 GP
1 (29) Jason Dickinson
2 (40) Remi Elie
2 (54) Philippe Desrosiers
3 (68) Niklas Hansson
4 (101) Nick Paul
5 (131) Cole Ully
5 (149) Matej Paulovic
7 (182) Aleksi Makela

This draft has real potential to be solid, Ully and Paul could turn out to be late round gems, and some nice talent with Nichushkin (clearly a top end player), Dickinson (great two way play), and Elie (really put up great numbers after getting traded away from the London Knights playing with Belleville and Erie).

Won't do the 2014 & 2015 drafts as those are clearly too early, although I must say I am quite underwhelmed right now looking at the 2014 draft picks outside of Honka, just doesn't seem like a lot of potential NHL players to me (Hope I'm wrong though!).

 

[Magic Mittens]

It's crazy to look back at those drafts. Wow I'm old lol. I remember the 2001 draft.

Guys like hagos, vagner, holtet, nickerson, lammers, sacchetti and roman I remember being excited about. Definitely thought Sacchetti was going to make it.

Cool idea

 

[LT]

RIP Scott Winkler. Name I haven't heard in a while.

I think those are all fair assessments. Drafts are rated far too highly on getting star players, when its the ability to draft those depth players and glue guys that really helps a team succeed. You only need to score big on elite talent two or three times.

Just look at Chicago. Three core players drafted high (Toews, Kane, Seabrook), another they get lucky on (Keith), and the last signed (Hossa). Rest of their success in the draft, besides Saad, is mostly depth, but its earned them three Cups.

 

[Satan]

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[FirstRowUpperDeck]

Went to the scrimmage Saturday.

Was impressed with Honka, although I got the impression he wasn't all that thrilled to be there, albeit from Row G.

Dickinson didn't impress near as much, not as much as Defending Bid D writer seemed to think.

Rem Elie was clearly the fastest of the prospects and looked good.

Gemel Smith had some goals, no pest work in a team scrimmage, but about as advertised as a hustle guy.

No other real surprise standouts, as we have seen in a few camps earlier. Maybe we are just paying attention to the draft picks more, since we believe some of Nill"s picks will actually be NHL players.......

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

Looking at that draft list, we may have to reconsider Niewy's drafting success. Even with first round question marks, he has an average of three quality NHL player per draft, better than Jim Nills benchmark. And, in Klingberg he has a potential superstar.

Not a stretch to think he will continue that average of three players in his last, 2009 draft, and they are talking Lindell in similar tones as Honka and Klingberg. Like the Hawks under Bowman, if Nill does win a Cup, at least some of it will be on the back of Niewy's picks.

In any case, I can't recall a period in Dallas Stars history where we had so many prospects that we really thought could make it in the NHL, which is nice, especially in a cap world.

One other note about "reaches" in the draft which I have been meaning to mention. In the Gainey era, Jarome Ignila was considered a big reach at 11th pick. I think he was ranked about 50. Before that, he took Doug Zmolik top 10, also ranked 50 or lower, but he didn't work out as well.

Anyway a GM going of the board, whether for JC, or this year for Guirinov is nothing new around here, and has about a 50% chance of working out, statistically speaking.

 

[Ajacied]

There's a poll about the best prospect pools on the poll forum. The Stars are criminally underrated in those threads..

 

[Phenomenon]

What do you think about the plans about Roope Hintz? Are the Stars going to sign him and get to him AHL immediately or let him develop a year or two in Finland?

I am curious, because signing him this summer would mean that the whole transfer fee would come to Ilves (my team), although Roope signed to another Finnish league team HIFK for the next season.

 

[Mr Misty]

What do you think about the plans about Roope Hintz? Are the Stars going to sign him and get to him AHL immediately or let him develop a year or two in Finland?

I am curious, because signing him this summer would mean that the whole transfer fee would come to Ilves (my team), although Roope signed to another Finnish league team HIFK for the next season.

The plan is at least 1 year in Finland I think, our AHL team is pretty crowded right now. The ability to stash him overseas is probably one of the reasons they were so high on him.

 

[Hull Fan]

Well to be honest Les Jackson ran those drafts not Nieuwendyk.

 

[Rune Forumwalker]

Well to be honest Les Jackson ran those drafts not Nieuwendyk.

Or Bernhardt as the case may be with Campbell.

Anyway a GM going of the board, whether for JC, or this year for Guirinov is nothing new around here, and has about a 50% chance of working out, statistically speaking.

I'm not sure JC could be considered a reach given that the scouting staff (or perhaps just Bernhardt?) considered him to be the 3rd best player in the draft.

 

[LT]

Campbell was rated around that area by several professional resources, as well.