Wrong Box Legwand
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I got to go too. The atmosphere was very hype... especially in the third. I've missed that, but it was back tonight.
Please do. I couldn't go tonight. What a game it was!
Yes, Mazanec is better than Hutton. Your stats don't show the reality on ice. Maz has done much better esp. considering his age, where he is from and the number of games he played in a row. There is a reason he was named a rookie of the month. Hutton should be in his prime right now but he is not playing that way. He was a terrible pick - a mistake.
We could have kept Chris Mason instead of signing Hutton.
Hutton has fundamental issuesI agree with keeping Maz in net until Rinne returns. He is much younger and already shows as much, if not more, than Hutton did. Which is pretty damn incredible for a goalie who has had to adjust to the fastest league in the world in little to no time.
It is simply not normal for a goalie with Hutton's age and experience to get rattled so easily.
Hutton has fundamental issues
So does Maz. The big question is which goalie gives the team a better chance to win on any given night? Anyone claiming that either goalie has a real advantage over the other in that simple category is using their heart rather than their brain. Both are inconsistent. Both are liable to get shelled on the first few shots faced and leave the team in a hole it won't recover from. Both are capable of performances like we saw from Maz last night and Hutton against the Sharks. Individual numbers, similar with a slight edge to Maz. Record, close with a slight edge to Hutton. Both are extremely liable to let in 3+ goals per game (7 for Maz - 5 in Dec, 9 for Hutton - 3 in Dec).
The team desperately needs one of them to step up if they are to have a chance at the post season. Pekka's injury shows just how much this team depends on stellar goal tending for its defensive reputation (13th in ES goals allowed in 2011-12 even with Pekka's .923 sv%, .239 gaa Vezina finalist season ... goals allowed ranking plummeting since with Pekka's injury and infection).
It's possible to cherry pick a three game stretch from either's game log where they look great ... both with two such stretches of good play. Those other 2-4 week stretches filling the logs are equally poor for both of them. Yet, Maz's bad weeks are dismissed while Hutton's good get that treatment here. The same inconsistency of play, yet the fans have decided which goalie's good streaks are the real him while the other goalie's bad streaks show his true level of play. The logical disconnect between the two assertions is glaring.
I think the simple argument we're making is that Maz is a better goalie going forward. We should dump Hutton first opportunity we get to unload.
Getting Hutton was a mistake the organization made past summer. Maz on the other hand will keep improving and has already shown much progress and was rightfully awarded the rookie of the month in November. We've seen enough of both goalies to determine who should stay and who should go elsewhere. Maz is the one Preds should keep.
Quite frankly, the odds of winning are the same with either goalie choice we have on the active roster. So are the odds of a shelling.
Maz had the same opportunity to make the starting job his numerous times. Two, maybe three, good games then his wheels fall of just as bad as Hutton's after his two or three good game stretches. So far, NEITHER goalie has shown the ability to maintain any sort of good play.
One of the main differences, however, is the fact that Maz has only played the N. American style hockey for a few months while Hutton has been acclimated to the rink and this style of hockey for years. I mentioned earlier that Hutton should be in his prime as far as goalies go but instead he has hit a wall. If that's the best he can do, I'm OK with just keeping Maz after this season is over.
Have you even bothered to look at contract lengths? Your post indicate you haven't.
What Maz can be in a year of two does what for us right now? We don't need wins next season, we need them this week. Which goalie gives us a clearly better chance of winning NOW? I'll give you a moment to flip a coin.
We don't know what the org will do going forward and with respect to getting a real goaltender that can backup Rinne in case of an emergency (like we're having this season). If they do not acquire a seasoned goalie - they may need to decide between the two backups we have right now. In my opinion that honor should go to Maz.
Unless it's Hellberg next year.
What we do next summer has no impact on the team's play now. If Maz steps up this time and puts a string of solid starts together ... great. If Hutton does it next time he starts ... great. Both received numerous chances to do so this season and failed to do it.
I'm far more impressed with what Maz demonstrated thus far considering all the of points I've made earlier (age, length of playing goalie, new rink size, new hockey style, new language, and so on). I'm very unimpressed with Hutton.
If Hellberg is better next year, more power to him. Hellberg also has more potential to grow than Hutton. Both Maz and Hell are better investments that Hutton.
All you can talk is next year. For all of the platitudes about Maz's potential, there is nothing that can honestly be said about him currently giving the team a better chance to win based on record, stats, or season to date side by side comparisons. He and Hutton both show flashes of ability that last about 2-3 games then crumble for 5+ games.
There is a reason why Hutton was signed to a one year contract ... he is not the planned backup of the future with Hellberg, Mazanec, Saros, and Juvonen in the pipeline. He was a stopgap, experienced guy projected to start maybe 15 games behind a Vezina finalist while Hellberg and Maz developed in Milwaukee. Nobody had a crystal ball showing Rinne out for a freak infection. It wouldn't matter who was the backup with Rinne's infection, no backup we had in the pipeline or could have signed would fill those skates. Bryz put up worse numbers than Hutton before his injury. Hiller hasn't hit the market. Keeping Mason would have sent the fans howling after the Colorado game last season. Ellis? Bachman? Emery? Thomas? Looking at the signed FAs shows how shallow the pool was this summer.
OK, Mazanec is the better goalie right now, this season. He is already better than Hutton. Done.
Based on emotion, not empirical evidence.
The "better" goalie wouldn't go 0-5-1 across late Nov through Dec 28. The "better" goalie wouldn't have one win in six starts this month compared to three wins in six starts for the lesser goalie. The "better" goalie wouldn't have a worse record overall. The "better" goalie wouldn't get pulled more often than the lesser goalie.
Maz has the potential to grow into a career NHL'er. He isn't there yet. The same goes for Hellberg. Right now Maz is just as inconsistent as the goalie you claim he's "better" than with the advantage of youth to grow beyond Hutton at some point in the future.
Based on the fact that the entire league saw what he can do. He needs more experience but even at this point is a better, smarter goalie.
Maz played less games than Hut and so far has played more minutes (due to Hut being pulled probably), has better goals against average, faced more shots, allowed less goals, and has better SV% and has not been penalized. The team played much better right after Rinne went down which benefited Hut early on, but in the thick of team troubles Maz played like a better goalie.
39 MAREK MAZANEC 18 15 940 2.68 6 8 1 2 471 42 .911 0 0 0
30 CARTER HUTTON 19 15 899 3.07 7 6 2 0 463 46 .901 0 0 2