GDT: GDT #56 New York Islanders @ St. Louis Blues | February 22nd | 8 PM | F/4-0 L

[Torrey Redux]

After all that’s what really matters.

It certainly seems so to quite a few folks.

 

[xECK29x]

JGP and Lee have no value. Actually, I take that back. They have negative value. They're effectively untradeable.

You could get something back for Nelson. And probably even Palms since he only has one year remaining and he's having a half-decent season this year. But if you trade them, it's not going to be a "re-tool." It's a rebuild. And there's nothing wrong with that. This team does need to be rebuilt.

David Clarkson was traded, anyone is tradable if you have a partner and willing to meet the price

 

[Stercrazy]

Sell what you can, get ready for next year

This.

 

[periferal]

Im not delusional. This isn’t a playoff team and if by some miracle they do sneak in they’re not winning a series. Team is an absolute mess

Right. Assuming you thought that way, but then why so worked up at every ugly goal given up, the lack of scoring, and each embarrassing loss? Most of us know this team is not only going nowhere, but in need of some massive overhaul moves. Seems silly to get worked up this season as a result of these facts.

 

[DerekKingSnipes]

Add Casey, Pelech, I’d take calls on Pulock too
Unfortunately not going to move Engvall or Mayfield
Team needs more than cosmetic changes, time for a culture change
Let a guy like Horvat lead it

I really think this is what’s going to happen, at very least I bet they buyout Lee at year end. The leadership group has to be changed and that’s I’m sure something organizationally they are very aware of.

Right. Assuming you thought that way, but then why so worked up at every ugly goal given up, the lack of scoring, and each embarrassing loss? Most of us know this team is not only going nowhere, but in need of some massive overhaul moves. Seems silly to get worked up this season as a result of these facts.

They should still try and make playoffs though, I’m not saying buy unless your adding some player in prime to top six forwards. They are still too close to give up right now. There are just as flawed teams they are chasing.

 

[SI90]

Right. Assuming you thought that way, but then why so worked up at every ugly goal given up, the lack of scoring, and each embarrassing loss? Most of us know this team is not only going nowhere, but in need of some massive overhaul moves. Seems silly to get worked up this season as a result of these facts.

Because there’s things that don’t take talent that’s so frustrating to watch. Like making a smart read or knowing situations. This team is full of guys that just go out and do the same dumb things over and over again.

I’m not mad at Lee Horvat or Nelson for not scoring on grade A chances. That stuff happens. But leaving your man wide open to pursue a guy behind the net. That’s f***ing moronic and things you’re taught in mini mites.

 

[periferal]

Because there’s things that don’t take talent that’s so frustrating to watch. Like making a smart read or knowing situations. This team is full of guys that just go out and do the same dumb things over and over again.

I’m not mad at Lee Horvat or Nelson for not scoring on grade A chances. That stuff happens. But leaving your man wide open to pursue a guy behind the net. That’s f***ing moronic and things you’re taught in mini mites.

Yes...And this kind of play has been happening every since Trotz left.

Maybe this team isn't as good/smart as we think they are.

 

[Throttle]

Keep Lou around. Let the season ticketholders walk. Who cares? I got my shopping center!

I’ll shop there. Can’t wait, more parking for me!

 

[Throttle]

It certainly seems so to quite a few folks.

Here I thought Mr $9M was pumped to play for Roy and was kinda ‘blunt’ about how the team was playing, guess we have to figure out what confidence level he’s rocking, beyond his two week hot streak and couple game post ASG ego streak, he’s pretty meh.

Just another game where the Isles needed their best players to step up…and you get a goose egg (and a -3), nice job.

 

[Osakahaus]

Right. Assuming you thought that way, but then why so worked up at every ugly goal given up, the lack of scoring, and each embarrassing loss? Most of us know this team is not only going nowhere, but in need of some massive overhaul moves. Seems silly to get worked up this season as a result of these facts.

they are in need of one of two things
1. healing for Scotty and Pelech
2. an actual defenseman who takes the Greene role
3. A top 6 winger who isn't Engvall or Lee
4. getting a better PK that isn't using Cal or Cizikas
we need to fix at LEAST two of these. This is by far the worst PK in the islanders history. it MUST be fixed. It has to be done also out of the system. i just cannot fathom Lamoriello being happy with a straight face. I just cannot.

 

[dlawong]

Seattle has many PK specialists there. Can Isles go get one of them? One of two may be available. Also, I look at PK around the league. Those PK units have more men down low covering the front of the net has more success. They do need Sorokin to practice saving shots from the points, especially the ones being screened.

 

[dlawong]

Give Comtois a tryout chance with the team. I know that injuries have hampered his play past couple of years, but given his talents and age, if played with the right players, he can be a cheap pick-up without much risk. He needs to get some conditioning in first though with the AHL team. This team needs more scoring punch at the left winger.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Told the wife I was going to close my eyes for a couple minutes before game time and to wake me if we score. It’s 345am I just woke up on the couch. LGI

 

[Nassau Revisited]

Told the wife I was going to close my eyes for a couple minutes before game time and to wake me if we score. It’s 345am I just woke up on the couch. LGI

i missed the game and was going to watch on delay, something told me just forget it so I checked the score and I am very happy I missed it

 

[IslesNorway]

This game is the essence of the Islanders this season. Woeful defending and tons of missed chances. How they ended up shutout is just beyond me.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

My goodness, what a waste of 2.5 hours of my life.

***
We actually had some really good PP looks in this game.

But a whole bunch of O-fers.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Give Comtois a tryout chance with the team. I know that injuries have hampered his play past couple of years, but given his talents and age, if played with the right players, he can be a cheap pick-up without much risk. He needs to get some conditioning in first though with the AHL team. This team needs more scoring punch at the left winger.

He's actually played 41 games with the Chicago Wolves in the AHL this year.

 

[Strummergas]

The best time to retool will be next TDL, not enough UFAs this year, contenders aren’t going to want to take on Nelson/Palmieri and the like with a second year even with 50% retention.

I think a retool can begin this year by simply not resigning the team's current crop of soon-to-be UFA's. It likely will mean more of the same next year, but at least the ball will have begun to roll.

 

[crashthenet]

All ducks, no eagles

I remember Charles Barkley, when asked about the Washington Wizards a number of years ago saying; they run like deer, they jump like deer, they think like deer. Makes me think of Barzal. When you watch that line play, Horvat backchecks like a demon and they guy who turns the puck over just watches. Shame on Roy for going with the same 5 on the ice for goals 2 and 3.

Was Trotz shown the door as a way to keep Barzal here? I wonder.

At this point, having Wahlstrom and Martin in the line-up is a complete waste. If Ishakov is not an option, a waiver grab or moving a nothing asset as the Pens did yesterday should have been done. I am sick of watching Pageau struggle as well.

The blown rotations in the d zone are painful to watch. I have a hard time believing that is all on the players.

 

[Strummergas]

They should still try and make playoffs though, I’m not saying buy unless your adding some player in prime to top six forwards. They are still too close to give up right now. There are just as flawed teams they are chasing.

I don't think we're going to see a fire sale in two weeks, as much as some are clamoring for it. But the only adds should be from a Horvat-like trade. Otherwise, see if you can get something for the soon-to-be UFA and maybe shed a bit of cap if possible. That would more or less allow them to continue to compete for a spot this year, but at this point in the season, they look cooked.

 

[Lame Lambert]

We’re going for the division!

 

[Top Corner]

Legit don't understand how anyone can watch the last month of "hockey" and think that this team is just a couple of "small tweaks" away from Cup contention.*




*Unless they are in denial or don't understand basic concepts of building an NHL team.

Those are the people who have never played the game on ice. We hear having Horvat all season will make us a playoff team which was possible but there are too many slow moving parts to make this a dangerous team that 3 coaches in the last few years have found out and it’s going to get slower. I’ve looked at this roster and tried to figure out how this mess can be corrected quickly and I haven’t got a clue with all the bad contracts and terms that are left.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Because there’s things that don’t take talent that’s so frustrating to watch. Like making a smart read or knowing situations. This team is full of guys that just go out and do the same dumb things over and over again.

I’m not mad at Lee Horvat or Nelson for not scoring on grade A chances. That stuff happens. But leaving your man wide open to pursue a guy behind the net. That’s f***ing moronic and things you’re taught in mini mites.

This. I like watching hockey. I love watching my favorite team.

What pains me is when they do the dumbest stuff or show lack of effort / signs of giving up. That's why I would get mad in a single game situation.

Honestly, this is the worst version of team fandom. A veteran team that seemingly has the pieces to compete - team continuity, names on offense - defense and in goal, but they can't get out of their own heads...

Team is too good to tank, not talented enough to rely on talent/scoring alone to win and not bad enough to sit back, relax and enjoy the development of young players through growing pains. AKA the mushy middle.

I would much rather watch a team like the Blackhawks or Sharks who you know are going to suck over the course of the season, but you can see the future. At this point, I am more excited to watch these Islanders after the TDL to maybe see more of Bolduc, Ish, Salo, Maggio

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

I hate to say this because I like a lot of things that Roy brings, but the truth is the coaching change has done nothing so far. Absolutely zero. The team is as fragile and mentally weak as ever. They make the same mistakes and have the same collapses once any one little thing goes wrong. Most crappy teams even usually get that initial new coach spark and we did not even get that. If I did not see Roy on the bench while watching the game, I would think Lambert was still the coach.
We can all argue that this group was not a contending team, but whereas they used to overachieve, there is nobody who can convince me that on paper this roster is not a top 12-15 team in the league at worst. This has become an underachieving group that cannot get out of its own way.

 

[saintunspecified]

I’m not mad at Lee Horvat or Nelson for not scoring on grade A chances. That stuff happens. But leaving your man wide open to pursue a guy behind the net. That’s f***ing moronic and things you’re taught in mini mites.

Right. Which means to me that there's a lack of communication, and a lack of trust (related) at the root of it. What's so strange to me is that it's as often Pelech or Pageau as it is anyone else. It's like only Barzal has gotten smarter.

I don't think people suddenly become stupid constitutively, but I do think that stress & fatigue makes people's decisions erratic. And I really think that the solution is that the Islanders need to get stronger (or more skilled), and faster on the wings to help get them out of the zone the 1st or even 2nd opportunity instead of not at all.

I'm changing my mind a bit on the solution, because I think they might need to muck through next year. I still think NYI need to deal Nelson. But I think it's probably better to run out Palmieri's contract, and then focus on dealing JGP's deal. Then plan on buying out Lee in 2025. And it's probably a very good idea to see if a team that needs a guy like Pelech now will give value, even if it means taking someone like idk Kampf back. All while focusing on what is achievable in the short term - acquiring a decent bottom 6 without spending any futures. If Barzal has to play C next year separate from Horvat, then he'll have to do that.