Post-Game Talk: Garry Galley is still talking

[Ninety7]

Wow your bias is disgusting

he’s not really all that wrong.

nurse continues to make questionable plays/reads.

good, not great defenceman.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

There are only 2 things that need to happen for this team to be decent and therefore playoff bound again:

1 - Smith starts, at most, 1 in 4 games. Preferably less.
2 - McDavid and Draisaitl start playing defense again and stop being a net detriment to the team outside of the PP. They're minus 2 and minus 12 respectively, and that is frankly pathetic for 2 guys who are touted as "stars". Look at a table of the top scorers in the NHL, and after the first 2, you have to go down to 20+ to find minus players. And they're well earned minuses.

yup

we can talk about "depth" until we are blue in the face but the top players need to be better in their own zone

Leon Draisaitl is a whopping -20 (!!) in the last 16 games
McDavid is -8

Klefbom is also -16 in his last 16 games

you cannot win hockey games when the guys who play the most bleed GA as badly as the Oilers are right now

 

[Barrsy]

Yes to make the playoffs. To protect their investment in Connor McDavid.

People act like this "build through the draft" is some holy edict that must be obeyed no matter what.

**** that.

Lets look at this realistically ... a forward drafted in the 2020 draft is not likely to be an impact player until 2023 or 2024 unless they are a star player taken in the top 10. A defenceman or goalie even longer than that.

We don't have that much time to sit around and wait. They had that luxury 5 years ago and choose to crap it away.

They have been in playoff position for three straight Christmas Days now ... it's time to actually do something to bolster the team and let them experience and learn and grow from playoff hockey instead of doing nothing and hoping for a different result.

You realize that if they do these trades today they won’t have those assets to trade away next year?
Lol at these guys who want to trade away lots of assets today in the hope to make the playoffs.
Too funny

 

[OldCraig71]

Were we watching the same game? haha

You would barely know the Oilers were in that game. On the winning goal, he talked more about Domi's heroic play getting the puck back than he did about Domi giving it away and the Oilers scoring.

Gary Galley and Jason York are both confirmations of CTE in pro contact sports, both of them are hard to listen to. On a different note, McDavid will bring you a cup, one way or another, it will happen, he is complete fire, if he only had another great winger on his line it would be impossible to stop him. Incredible to watch.

 

[Quality Oil]

I don't think I've seen a dman undressed as badly as Nurse was on that Domi goal in a looooooooooooooooooooooong time. That was a good rum and eggnog game. Really hope we can take it to the Nucks tomorrow.

 

[OldCraig71]

Virtue signaling via hockey broadcasting

The Man hates Montreal, he used to be worse but I think that someone at Rogers told him to tone it down. You should hear him in a Habs v Sens/Bruins broadcast. He is the Chris Lee of broadcasting when it comes to Montreal.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I don't think I've seen a dman undressed as badly as Nurse was on that Domi goal in a looooooooooooooooooooooong time. That was a good rum and eggnog game. Really hope we can take it to the Nucks tomorrow.

In fairness it was a filthy move by a talented player that is evasive, is able to make people miss, and Darnell has played too many minutes over the years. You see Nurse make a lot of mistakes that could be mitigated in his game but important to remember that none of these Oilers D prospects has anybody better to emulate. You see junk in all of their games because they have had no pedigree D here to model better.

Larsson had the tutelage of Scott Stevens and Andy Greene. None of our grow your own D has really had anything like that nature of guidance. Well none of it really. We've had sobs like Sekera, Russell, and really ordinary stiffs. Not one Vet D has been obtained here that could really help our own D along.

 

[Drivesaitl]

While their D is an issue, it isn't close to the one of the biggest issues on the team. +- is an extremely misleading stat. Empty net and shorthanded goals that McD and Drai had nothing to do with play a big part of that. Don't you think the fact that the 2nd line hasn't had an ES goal in forever is a bigger issue?

They do need to tighten up their defence, (and it looked much better last night against the Habs), but that is far from being the 2nd most pressing issue for the Oilers.

Yep. Its a misleading stat. McDrai face the top quality of opponent lines all game any game and while having subpar D and goaltending. So that they are in a knife fight every game and without weapons or back up. The stats are often going to look like that. All of Klef, Nurse, Bear, Jones have been eviscerated.

Most stars and top lines get to play in a component unit with one elite or shutdown D. Imagine what they, and their stats would look like with that. Never mind how much better they would be with an actual pmd.

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

I don't think I've seen a dman undressed as badly as Nurse was on that Domi goal in a looooooooooooooooooooooong time. That was a good rum and eggnog game. Really hope we can take it to the Nucks tomorrow.

There was a game earlier this season where Klefbom got deked out of his jock and absolutely embarrassed while wildly flailing about but yeah, Domi on Nurse was up there too.

 

[Quality Oil]

There was a game earlier this season where Klefbom got deked out of his jock and absolutely embarrassed while wildly flailing about but yeah, Domi on Nurse was up there too.

I'm still having nightmares from when Malkin stripped Klef and did a spin-o-rama backhand bardownski.

 

[foshizzle]

Or possibly they know they have a chance signing him in the off season so why waste picks and prospects for something you can get for free

um, for this year? So paying fans and us long suffering fans can see playoffs? Why sign anyone next year when prospects will be ready in 2-3 years? We can talk in circles forever, at some point you have to be better now.

 

[Soundwave]

You realize that if they do these trades today they won’t have those assets to trade away next year?
Lol at these guys who want to trade away lots of assets today in the hope to make the playoffs.
Too funny

And how many more years do you just flush down the toilet not giving any help to two of the best players in the league?

Losing is not "free", it takes a toll which at some point is impossible to reverse, Oilers fans should know this better than anyone f***ing else given they screwed up two rebuilds prior to this one already not getting help for young players as they drowned.

All the losing pretty much warped Nugent Hopkins for example, he's never going to be the player he could have been because his development was botched with so much losing.

This team has been collecting draft picks like a fat kid collecting Pokemon cards for 12 years. Enough is enough. Keep some picks, fine, you got two damn top 10 picks in Broberg and Bouchard you have no business having to begin with (Oilers marching up to select top 10 year after year after McDavid is an embarrassment).

But past that, spend SOME damn futures to help the team now. They need an interim period of a couple of years in the playoffs to earn their stripes and understand what it takes to be a good team instead of trying to win the damn Cup overnight with magic beans sprouting out all at once.

Yes maybe they'll be a 7/8 seed and maybe they'll lose in the 1st round but at least they'll learn a damn thing or two whereas now they're learning dick all, just how to be losers. And once you let that go on for long enough it becomes very hard to reverse.

 

[tardigrade81]

he’s not really all that wrong.

nurse continues to make questionable plays/reads.

good, not great defenceman.

His style has changed a bit latrly it seems. He’s really playing a physical brand of hockey.

 

[frag2]

LOL. Hey , if you are happy with Holland paying him 7+ that is good for you. Whatever makes you happy, You do you.

I don't hate Nurse at all. He just isn't anywhere near that type of dman. No way.

Luckily Holland isn't a braindead dumb **** like Chiarelli. Nurse is starting at hilarious high levels thinking he is the Nathan Mackinnon of D. Holland will work his *** down or flip him for something while his value is high.

Nurse's first 20ish games, he was worth ~7 give or take. Now, he's closer to 6, especially if Morrissey got paid that.

 

[Louis Cypher]

I don't think I've seen a dman undressed as badly as Nurse was on that Domi goal in a looooooooooooooooooooooong time. That was a good rum and eggnog game. Really hope we can take it to the Nucks tomorrow.

Not the time when McDavid undressed 3 players and Price to score?

Pretty over exaggerated looooooooong time. He got caught flat footed. Koski probably should have saved that also.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

And how many more years do you just flush down the toilet not giving any help to two of the best players in the league?

Losing is not "free", it takes a toll which at some point is impossible to reverse, Oilers fans should know this better than anyone ****ing else given they screwed up two rebuilds prior to this one already not getting help for young players as they drowned.

All the losing pretty much warped Nugent Hopkins for example, he's never going to be the player he could have been because his development was botched with so much losing.

they're in a playoff spot at the moment, doing exactly what you want..."learning how to win"

This team has been collecting draft picks like a fat kid collecting Pokemon cards for 12 years. Enough is enough. Keep some picks, fine, you got two damn top 10 picks in Broberg and Bouchard you have no business having to begin with (Oilers marching up to select top 10 year after year after McDavid is an embarrassment).

which elite team today throws away draft picks for small additions that may or may not work?
Washington? nope
Boston? nope
St. Louis or Colorado? nope

all their best players were drafted
and the good players they acquired were because they traded for other good players...whom they drafted

But past that, spend SOME damn futures to help the team now. They need an interim period of a couple of years in the playoffs to earn their stripes and understand what it takes to be a good team instead of trying to win the damn Cup overnight with magic beans sprouting out all at once.

Yes maybe they'll be a 7/8 seed and maybe they'll lose in the 1st round but at least they'll learn a damn thing or two whereas now they're learning dick all, just how to be losers. And once you let that go on for long enough it becomes very hard to reverse.

I swear a lot of this core made the playoffs in 2016/17...won a round and "learned" what it took to be a good team

 

[Quality Oil]

Not the time when McDavid undressed 3 players and Price to score?

Pretty over exaggerated looooooooong time. He got caught flat footed. Koski probably should have saved that also.

I'm all about that exaggeration haha, McD's goal was just as good if not better. I just hate it when it happens to us!

 

[Barrsy]

And how many more years do you just flush down the toilet not giving any help to two of the best players in the league?

Losing is not "free", it takes a toll which at some point is impossible to reverse, Oilers fans should know this better than anyone ****ing else given they screwed up two rebuilds prior to this one already not getting help for young players as they drowned.

All the losing pretty much warped Nugent Hopkins for example, he's never going to be the player he could have been because his development was botched with so much losing.

This team has been collecting draft picks like a fat kid collecting Pokemon cards for 12 years. Enough is enough. Keep some picks, fine, you got two damn top 10 picks in Broberg and Bouchard you have no business having to begin with (Oilers marching up to select top 10 year after year after McDavid is an embarrassment).

But past that, spend SOME damn futures to help the team now. They need an interim period of a couple of years in the playoffs to earn their stripes and understand what it takes to be a good team instead of trying to win the damn Cup overnight with magic beans sprouting out all at once.

Yes maybe they'll be a 7/8 seed and maybe they'll lose in the 1st round but at least they'll learn a damn thing or two whereas now they're learning dick all, just how to be losers. And once you let that go on for long enough it becomes very hard to reverse.

They are better but they are not close to been good enough to start giving up significant future assets to make real trades now. They could easily miss the playoffs even with a couple of good adds. That's clear.
Do you even watch them play?

 

[LaGu]

2019 1st, 2020 1st and 2021 1st for Hall so that we can win a couple of rounds in the playoffs but still not be a serious contender. This was the price, right?

 

[Soundwave]

They are better but they are not close to been good enough to start giving up significant future assets to make real trades now. They could easily miss the playoffs even with a couple of good adds. That's clear.
Do you even watch them play?

It's clear McDavid and Draisaitl are so good that if this franchise was even the least bit competent and gave them ANY f***ing help, they could make the playoffs.

Last night the team looked night and day better because that was actually one of the few rare games where a 2nd line was rolling (the Archibald line). It makes a *world* of difference.

If they don't want to even try and just sit on the shitter for years collecting more picks than they may as well just move McDavid and Draisaitl now ... they are not going to be happy with year after year of this.

We tried this dumb shit the last two years -- in a playoff spot 1/2 way through the season. Sit back and do nothing and give McDavid no help. Do they need to learn the lesson three years in a row before they get it?

This is like a husband who's continually obsessed with work (in the Oilers case this is the "magical future ... some day in the future") but doesn't spend any time with his wife or kids and then realizes 20 damn years later that he screwed up and now no one in his family wants anything to do with him and he can't get that lost time back.

 

[brentashton]

[QUOTE="Drivesaitl, post: 168209527, member: 292061
Larsson had the tutelage of Scott Stevens and Andy Greene. None of our grow your own D has really had anything like that nature of guidance. Well none of it really. We've had sobs like Sekera, Russell, and really ordinary stiffs. Not one Vet D has been obtained here that could really help our own D along.[/QUOTE]

But they did have Paul Coffey as a skills coach, so that probably evens it up, right?

 

[Barrsy]

It's clear McDavid and Draisaitl are so good that if this franchise was even the least bit competent and gave them ANY ****ing help, they could make the playoffs.

Last night the team looked night and day better because that was actually one of the few rare games where a 2nd line was rolling (the Archibald line). It makes a *world* of difference.

If they don't want to even try and just sit on the ****ter for years collecting more picks than they may as well just move McDavid and Draisaitl now ... they are not going to be happy with year after year of this.

We tried this dumb **** the last two years -- in a playoff spot 1/2 way through the season. Sit back and do nothing and give McDavid no help. Do they need to learn the lesson three years in a row before they get it?

This is like a husband who's continually obsessed with work (in the Oilers case this is the "magical future ... some day in the future") but doesn't spend any time with his wife or kids and then realizes 20 damn years later that he screwed up and now no one in his family wants anything to do with him and he can't get that lost time back.

Your game plan is akin the Peter Chiarelli of game plans. And we knew how that worked out

 

[Soundwave]

Your game plan is akin the Peter Chiarelli of game plans. And we knew how that worked out

No it's not, because no one is asking for the Oilers to trade their 2nd best player (Draisaitl) for some stupid Steve Staois tier D-Man.

No one is advocating that.

What we're saying is some frigging magic beans that have at best a 20% chance of being an NHL player and a 2%-5% chance of being a star player to be moved because this organization quite frankly owes McDavid some help.

He is busting his ass and playing to exhaustion and you sit there twiddling your thumbs doing nothing and you think you can do that for years with no long term repercussions?

You got another thing coming. This magical "someday" future the Oilers keep fantasizing about is never going to happen if they don't do something now to get off their ass and give the current team some help.

They need an interim phase of a couple of years where they just make the playoffs, even if its a low seed, even if they get their butt kicked in ... they need that and soon because the frustration of losing continually is otherwise going to take a toll on this group that can't be reversed.

 

[Barrsy]

What we're saying is some frigging magic beans that have at best a 20% chance of being an NHL player and a 5% chance of being a star player to be moved because this organization quite frankly owes McDavid some help.

p.

You should do some research on this point. Your not in the world of reality when it comes to this when it comes to mid 1st round picks.
Maybe this is why there is this fantasy of the magic beans of trades turning the Oilers into a lock for the playoffs and a possible contender.

 

[Soundwave]

You should do some research on this point. Your not in the world of reality when it comes to this when it comes to mid 1st round picks.
Maybe this is why there is this fantasy of the magic beans of trades turning the Oilers into a lock for the playoffs and a possible contender.

By that logic the Oilers should be loaded with talent up and down the roster. How many 1st round picks have they had?

And what do they have to show for 13 years of that nonsense? 2 great players who aren't "mid round" picks but 2 gimme top 3 picks they only got because they bombed multiple seasons at a time.

Enough is enough. Time to start focusing on actually winning damn hockey games for once.

Even the Penguins by this point in Lemieux's career were making big moves bringing in Paul Coffey so Mario had some freaking help, and the Oilers are doing what? The Chicago Bulls while still bad in Jordan's early years by his 4th season already had Pippen and Grant by that point. This franchise? Still sitting twiddling their thumbs doing nothing. Which franchise in any pro sport has had a player this good and sat on their ass like this refusing to give their generational player any help?

I don't care about being "a contender" the next 2-3 years, we need to just get in (which means just being slightly better than the bottom half of the league, which isn't asking for a f***ing lot) and gain some experience in the post season.

Jeez it's like a guy who hasn't had a date in 13 years turning down a girl because she's only "pretty" because he wants to hold out for a Victoria Secret model.