GDT: Game 9 | Columbus @ Dallas | 8 PM EST

[Cheddarcheese]

Jarmo is the goat and he has all the right pieces in front of him to be a wagon, its just time and development now

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Look at his overall record-sub .500. Look at his playoff "success"-one real round of playoff victory.

starting a full tear-down rebuild mid-tenure will do that! it's not like rebuilding teams have good records lol

Had Stan Bowman not given Panarin away, then it might be the big goose egg for Jarmo in the playoffs.

they had 108 points the year before they traded for panarin lmao

His drafting record is mediocre.

every single analysis of draft performance over the last few years has shown that the jackets are one of the best teams at drafting.

His administrative abilities-remember the Horton insurance fiasco-aren't anything to write home about.

*sigh* don't make me tap the sign

nathan horton was uninsurable when they signed him because he was recovering from an injury. he wasn't eligible for a policy until after he sustained the back injury.

His handling of RFAs was pathetic with Johansen and Anderson.

…but he was right, lmao

ryan johansen just got traded with 50% retention for literally nothing so nashville could get out of (part of) his contract. josh anderson is a 30-point winger with four more years at $5.5m and NTC protection.

 

[majormajor]

that's not to say he didn't inherit some good pieces – johansen, murray, dubinsky, bobrovsky, foligno – but with the exception of bob the actual core pieces on jarmo's best teams (panarin, jones, werenski, pld) were jarmo guys.

Jenner, Anderson, Atkinson etc.... etc.... it was mostly a Howson team up front and in net until about 2019.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Jenner, Anderson, Atkinson etc.... etc.... it was mostly a Howson team up front and in net until about 2019.

sure, but an incoming GM's job isn't to jettison all of their predecessor's pieces, it's to identify which ones to keep.

after hiring torts, jarmo kept the howson guys who fit that identity as quality supporting pieces. the only 'core' holdover was bob. but it was jarmo's team.

seth jones was a norris-level defenseman. werenski was electric. wennberg and saad were top-line players in 16-17, then came panarin and PLD.

jarmo also filled out the roster with some very nice supporting pieces – hartnell, gagner, nutivaara, etc – and they got better every year as the roster shifted from howson guys to jarmo guys.

 

[squashmaple]

he inherited a team that:
- was in last place at the time (mid 12-13)
- had finished dead last by a big margin the year prior (11-12)
- had repeatedly whiffed on high draft picks (filatov, brule, picard)
- traded away the only one of those high picks that was a hit (voracek)
- had just gone through the carter & nash trades

that's not to say he didn't inherit some good pieces – johansen, murray, dubinsky, bobrovsky, foligno – but with the exception of bob the actual core pieces on jarmo's best teams (panarin, jones, werenski, pld) were jarmo guys.

Jenner, Anderson, Atkinson etc.... etc.... it was mostly a Howson team up front and in net until about 2019.

And that was what ultimately doomed them to being an also-ran even when they were "competitive:" the team's top talent was pretty middling. You can see the strategy to avoid that with the recent picks since Chinakhov.

 

[majormajor]

sure, but an incoming GM's job isn't to jettison all of their predecessor's pieces

I didn't remotely imply that it was.

The correct move was to build off of the foundation Howson laid, and Jarmo tried to do that. I'm not saying he should have done differently. It's just purely descriptive that the team was, more than most clubs, drawn from drafted talent from a previous regime from several years prior.

And that was what ultimately doomed them to being an also-ran even when they were "competitive:" the team's top talent was pretty middling. You can see the strategy to avoid that with the recent picks since Chinakhov.

For sure, the team was loaded with ultra competitive second liners and little to nothing elite. This was known from the beginning in 2013, long before the Chinakhov draft.

Jarmo tried to be aggressive and swing for topline talent. It just mostly failed for a while. The Horton signing, two failed Gaborik trades, the Wennberg and Milano picks.

 

[CBJx614]

I didn't remotely imply that it was.

The correct move was to build off of the foundation Howson laid, and Jarmo tried to do that. I'm not saying he should have done differently. It's just purely descriptive that the team was, more than most clubs, drawn from drafted talent from a previous regime from several years prior.



For sure, the team was loaded with ultra competitive second liners and little to nothing elite. This was known from the beginning in 2013, long before the Chinakhov draft.

Jarmo tried to be aggressive and swing for topline talent. It just mostly failed for a while. The Horton signing, two failed Gaborik trades, the Wennberg and Milano picks.

How was the Wennberg pick a fail? He's 11th in points from the 2013 draft, bjorkstrand is 12th. He's not first line talent but he would easily still be in our top 9 if not higher if it wasn't for the concussion.

 

[majormajor]

How was the Wennberg pick a fail? He's 11th in points from the 2013 draft, bjorkstrand is 12th. He's not first line talent but he would easily still be in our top 9 if not higher if it wasn't for the concussion.

Not a bad pick but they were trying to get a great player not an okayish one, on a team that wasn't short on okayish players. Most draft picks are failures in that sense, it's not meant to be damming.

 

[CBJx614]

Not a bad pick but they were trying to get a great player not an okayish one, on a team that wasn't short on okayish players. Most draft picks are failures in that sense, it's not meant to be damming.

But the only players who outperformed him that were taken after him are Burkovsky, Buchnevich, and Guentzel. And who knows if Guentzel produces without that core around him. I get what you're saying but they couldn't have done anything differently

 

[majormajor]

But the only players who outperformed him that were taken after him are Burkovsky, Buchnevich, and Guentzel. And who knows if Guentzel produces without that core around him. I get what you're saying but they couldn't have done anything differently

It was a difficult draft for sure. Just FYI Pulock and especially Theodore are high end and were plausible picks for us. Verhaege and Weegar are also great but not plausible 1sts.

Rough draft. To continue the metaphor, it was home run swings, but against Bob Gibson pitching.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

How was the Wennberg pick a fail? He's 11th in points from the 2013 draft, bjorkstrand is 12th. He's not first line talent but he would easily still be in our top 9 if not higher if it wasn't for the concussion.

there have been something like 60 players taken 14th overall in the NHL draft. alex wennberg ranks 16th among them in career points and will likely be in the league for another 5-8 years.

his career trajectory after the concussion is disappointing, but as a draft pick and a player, he is objectively one of the better players taken at his draft slot. after the top 10, expected production really falls off.

marko dano was also objectively a good pick. good rookie year, used as a centerpiece to bring in an established player. what happens after the trade (injuries) isn't on the jackets.

in fact, dano is a prime example of what to do with non-elite prospects on non-elite teams: trade them for established players with term on cap-strapped teams. harder to do now with the cap being what it is, but columbus should absolutely be looking to move out some – not all! – of their similar players (sillinger, marchenko, texier, chinakhov) to accelerate the rebuild around fantilli/jiricek.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Lmao he's one of the best GM in the league lets talk about all the good he's done.

Boone at 3.7 lol

provorov at 4.7 easy flip next year

gavrikov for a 1st

savard for 1st and 3rd

PLD for laine


our team has so much talent and the next 7 years are going to be so fkn exciting

One of the greatest in the league? Layoff of the hard stuff. Beer should suffice

 

[cbjthrowaway]

One of the greatest in the league? Layoff of the hard stuff. Beer should suffice

actually the big secret that nhl gms don't want you to know is that most of them are pretty bad