Potential Season Ending Epic Double-Assed GDT: Game 6: Blues @ Perds: Blanick pwned me in this one edition

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I would say Pietrangelo, Edmundson, Parayko, Ellis and Josi were better. That puts him at 6th. Still, he is the media darling. If Subban and McDavid are both in the WCF, Pierre will have to wear a bib!

I'm confused as to what Petro, JBO and Parayko did besides turn the puck over. Other than Edmunson, there was no defender stepping up their game. I expect more from three top 50 defenders. Allen made them look far better than what they all played.

 

[BangarangxRufio]

I just want to say that it has been a blast being a part of this Forum this season! I cannot wait for the draft!

 

[Thallis]

I'm confused as to what Petro, JBO and Parayko did besides turn the puck over. Other than Edmunson, there was no defender stepping up their game. I expect more from three top 50 defenders. Allen made them look far better than what they all played.

Why is it not surprising the one who "stepped up his game" in your eyes is a physical defenseman?

 

[KingBran]

I'm confused as to what Petro, JBO and Parayko did besides turn the puck over. Other than Edmunson, there was no defender stepping up their game. I expect more from three top 50 defenders. Allen made them look far better than what they all played.

It's easy to criticize when you are looking at your own team under a microscope. JBo's D was great this series. I wish he would have shot at the net more often instead of making those wide-of-the net shot / passes.

Nothing needs to be said about Pie. He played great. If you can't understand that tons of minutes against other teams best players in the playoffs will make you lose the puck once in a while then too bad. Pie was great.

Parayko looked tired to me. He also looked a little scared out there to me. He held his own though. Not amazing, but not terrible.

 

[Alklha]

I'm confused as to what Petro, JBO and Parayko did besides turn the puck over. Other than Edmunson, there was no defender stepping up their game. I expect more from three top 50 defenders. Allen made them look far better than what they all played.

If you are under pretty consistent pressure, then the defence is never going to look good. The goalie can look great in that situation, but you can always pick apart the defence.

The forwards didn't do enough this postseason, and when you look at the roster it is fairly obvious as to why.

Yeo needs to be the one to sit down and draw up roughly what he wants his lineup to be next season. While we might not need sweeping personnel changes, we do need changes in utilisation.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Why is it not surprising the one who "stepped up his game" in your eyes is a physical defenseman?

I don't know...he led them in scoring and was +12 in 11 games....Did JBo, Petro, or Parayko produce any numbers greater than their regular season average? sure their (predators) game plan basically shut down our D, but isn't that when your best players rise above? I'm just not letting them off the hook. Did our forwards not do their part? Absolutely. We did nothing to thwart their D from dominating the series. We pressured them, but they had a plan to offset it. We backed off their point men and they burned us for it.

 

[David Dennison]

I'm confused as to what Petro, JBO and Parayko did besides turn the puck over. Other than Edmunson, there was no defender stepping up their game. I expect more from three top 50 defenders. Allen made them look far better than what they all played.

One mans 'stepping up' is another mans small sample size. Would you be saying this if a couple of his goals are saved instead of going in? I will take 136 regular season games as evidence of the kind of player Edmundson is over 11 playoff games this year.

And not to **** on Edmundson, he had a strong playoffs and adds a physical presence on defense. Im just not sure that his ceiling is all that much better than someone like Bortuzzo.

 

[Celtic Note]

One mans 'stepping up' is another mans small sample size. Would you be saying this if a couple of his goals are saved instead of going in? I will take 136 regular season games as evidence of the kind of player Edmundson is over 11 playoff games this year.

And not to **** on Edmundson, he had a strong playoffs and adds a physical presence on defense. Im just not sure that his ceiling is all that much better than someone like Bortuzzo.

Bortuzzo is at his ceiling in my opinion. He may get better but he is a third pairing guy. Edmundson has shown he can handle #4 minutes. That's already better than Bortuzzo. Ed also doesn't get injured every two seconds, so that is a big plus.

 

[ManyIdeas]

Eddy played massive minutes for a team that has 27 19 and 55

 

[STL BLUES]

Ed is one of the most improved players on the Blues. All you have to do is rewind to last year's DZ pass that ended in a score. The reason he is so much improved is because he has totally bought into Coach Yeo. Now he plays hockey with much greater confidence.

I'm very happy with the defense and how they are playing. Yeo dramatically improved our D since taking over. The third pairing will always be fluid especially with our AHL depth. Our goalie situation couldn't be better with an awsome backup situation.

Ed has NOT reached his ceiling. Next season he will be played more on PP's and he will be more engaged in the OZ. Honestly, I doubt most of us saw his goal scoring ability until the playoffs. He has a compete level that was so much better this year. A "Dog and Bone"(Peter Laviolett) mentality. I kinda like how he went after SupCan in game 5.

Blues will find a 1C and we will dominate instead of get by next year. But, so will a couple of other teams dominate. Getting to the promised land requires a lot these days.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

So I read both Steen (Duh) and Tarasenko have injuries requiring surgery during the offseason. But, as far as anyone knows outside the Blues both Perron and Berglund are healthy.

 

[Oberyn]

Pretty sad that Steen with a broken foot outproduced Berglund and Perron combined.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Yak had surgery in the first round , Senko doesn't need surgery, but, has some lingering injuries.

 

[TheDizee]

Pretty sad that Steen with a broken foot outproduced Berglund and Perron combined.

says alot about those 2

 

[TruBlu]

Pretty sad that Steen with a broken foot outproduced Berglund and Perron combined.

Yeah, Steen has always been a quiet contributor. He's never really looked at as a top producer, but he's consistently in our top 3 in the regular season in scoring, and is always a factor in the postseason. I know some people were critical of his signing, but he's less of a risk than some of the recent signings that have been dealt.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

Yak had surgery in the first round , Senko doesn't need surgery, but, has some lingering injuries.

Is this the first publicly released about Yakupov having surgery?

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Is this the first publicly released about Yakupov having surgery?

Yep, think so.

 

[Stealth JD]

Yak had surgery in the first round , Senko doesn't need surgery, but, has some lingering injuries.

Huh. Wasn't aware that science was able to perform a reverse-lobotomy these days. Hopefully Yak is better now. Our only other hope is that he's caught in a tornado and lands in Oz, and he's got a chance to meet the Wizard. Worked for the Scarecrow.

 

[Robb_K]

Yak had surgery in the first round , Senko doesn't need surgery, but, has some lingering injuries.

I seem to remember Tarasenko taking a hard shot to his hand or wrist. Maybe he has broken bones and needs surgery on them? I also saw a couple articles that stated that he'd require surgery during the off-season.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

I seem to remember Tarasenko taking a hard shot to his hand or wrist. Maybe he has broken bones and needs surgery on them? I also saw a couple articles that stated that he'd require surgery during the off-season.

JR is saying Tarasenko does not need surgery, but there is a medical issue. I think it could be something like what you said. Maybe a rib injury too, the way he collapsed with that check which was mentioned earlier.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

It's easy to criticize when you are looking at your own team under a microscope. JBo's D was great this series. I wish he would have shot at the net more often instead of making those wide-of-the net shot / passes.

Nothing needs to be said about Pie. He played great. If you can't understand that tons of minutes against other teams best players in the playoffs will make you lose the puck once in a while then too bad. Pie was great.

Parayko looked tired to me. He also looked a little scared out there to me. He held his own though. Not amazing, but not terrible.

Definitely with the added pressure it effected all six defenseman's play. It was an excellent strategy for the Preds as we are so reliant on our D as the offensive catalyst to "start the engine", however it was also our strategy to pressure their D in numbers (overload one side on the forecheck). They made the adjust of reversing flow as Rinne also helped in that adjustment to buy their defenders time. Some of the criticism goes to not adjusting on the coaching level and some not being timid about taking a hit to make a play. That bothers me a bit about Parayko as the Tyler Myers comparison isn't too far off. I'm still of the opinion that Petro needs to just line up a couple guys at the right time and right instance just to let the entire league know don't come flying in or you may regret it. Pronger did it. MacInnis did it. Subban does it. You may not like Duncan Keith, but you sure are going to pay attention finishing your check on him. It sure seems like he and JBo take far more abuse than they should as a defensive unit. I really think that effected their play more than anything else as it wore on them so much to play their complete game where a guy like Edmundson thrives on the contact.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Yeah, Steen has always been a quiet contributor. He's never really looked at as a top producer, but he's consistently in our top 3 in the regular season in scoring, and is always a factor in the postseason. I know some people were critical of his signing, but he's less of a risk than some of the recent signings that have been dealt.

If I had to spend the cash to get a jersey, Steen would be on it. He epitomizes hard work, guts, and leadership.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Is Yak salvageable under Yeo?

He's a fast skater with good hands, but he's completely lost out there.

Maybe the Vegas/Moscow Knights will take him.

 

[Brian39]

Pretty sad that Steen with a broken foot outproduced Berglund and Perron combined.

I'm not sure it is really sad and I don't think it reflects nearly as much on Berg/Perron than it does on Steen.

Steen is an extremely solid player who is unquestionably a significantly better player than either of those 2. He consistently outproduces both by a significant margin and is paid accordingly. It says a lot to me that Steen's production wasn't reduced by a (double) broken foot, but that doesn't have anything to do with Perron and Bergie.

 

[Oberyn]

I'm not sure it is really sad and I don't think it reflects nearly as much on Berg/Perron than it does on Steen.

Steen is an extremely solid player who is unquestionably a significantly better player than either of those 2. He consistently outproduces both by a significant margin and is paid accordingly. It says a lot to me that Steen's production wasn't reduced by a (double) broken foot, but that doesn't have anything to do with Perron and Bergie.

I can re-phrase it then to exclude the Steen comparison.

It's pretty sad that Perron and Berglund, who combined for 80 points in the regular season and take up $7.5M of our cap, managed to score 0 goals and 5 assists in 11 postseason games.