Well yeah, when I say turn, I don't mean cup, I mean playoff team. If they make it next year, very interested in who they manage to knock OUT of playoff position, and what kind of Philly level disaster happened to that doomed team. If the Rangers make the playoffs next year, it would have to be one of the youngest teams to make it in the past 15-20 years. I tried to find out but it's not the easiest thing to find. Has to be then. I do not think our team is on the path to being historically exceptional.