GDT: Game 32: Avs @ Hawks | Tuesday, December 15th, 6:30pm MT (NBCSN) | Beat the Streak
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Depends what team you're on.
I'm sure Hawks or Penguins players don't have a single problem with the DoPS
Gigantor The Goalie
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We are doing good now that Iggy and Tangs are struggling. When Iggy was producing that's when we were bad and the reason we are in a hole. That was when the core was struggling other than MacK, particularly Duchene, Varly and Lando defensively. This team goes as the core goes.
tigervixxxen
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We've had scoring from others. Redmond scored last game. In St Louis it was Skille, Mitchell and Holden wasn't it? It's a mix of both, we need our core to be the best players but they can't always be the ones doing it.
seancolorado
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And we have had Varly playing like all-star Varly. The 1st line has been controlling the play, regardless of their production, which has still been there as well. And EJ has been much better overall.
You guys need to quit blaming the supporting cast for our record. These supporting players were also contributing early on. We have been bragging about the 4th line all year. Holden was producing quite a bit early on. Berra was playing quite good. Beauchemin had to have some sort of personal best for how he started. Iggy was producing. Tangs wasn't that far off a top6 pace. Soderberg was producing, and still getting crapped on.
We have gotten scoring from others all year. But now that guys like Iggy are struggling to produce a lot of people want to act like it's all his fault for our record. Though to be fair, he was getting the blunt of the blame early on as well, when he was producing. Its ridiculous how little blame the core gets. They are by far the biggest reason for our bad start, and for our turnaround.
Obviously the core won't "always" produce. That's fine when it's a game here and there. But when they are consistently off, like early this year, we have no hope. Our record is a reflection of the core's play, good and bad. You can't expect the supporting cast to carry a team for a full month.
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tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
There's two facets to it, its how the supporting cast is producing and their capacity. I would say that yes a lot of them have stepped up and contributed to wins. Wagner, Skille, Martinsen have all been a big part of a win and like you said Comeau and Soderberg have been playing solid. McLeod has even done his fair share. But the "talent level" issue I keep referring to is their capacity, which is not good enough to consistently win. Holden is a perfect example, he is playing probably as damn good as he possibly can but that still does not make him an adequate long term top 4 defenseman.
To me the concern with Tanguay and Iginla is not their points but their overall impact on the ice. They are aging and their expected output and usage are what's going to be the biggest key. At this point if they can provide some secondary scoring that is good enough in the points department but they also need to be good enough on the ice as well.
The core should be leading the team but they can't do it every night either.
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That quote you added mentioned Martinsen dragging the team down and when he was brought up, we wasn't great but he has been the past 3 games. It seems the more this guy simplifies his game, the better he is. He's been really good for those 3 games, reminds me of why Dwight King / Jordan Nolan are hard to play against for the Kings, big powerful north-south guy who will hit. We need that type of presence for sure.
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Thats actually a pretty good comparison. Martinsen seems to get alot of flack on here. The dudes still learning this NA hockey thing. Hes played what 10-15 games? Cut him some slack maybe? I still would rather have Wagner over Martinsen in the line up but I still would have Martinsen play over Tanguay.
And had the core not crapped the bed for the first month the support cast would be getting credit for stepping up and contributing to wins then. But since we were not winning, it's the supporting casts' (particularly the old guys) fault for our record, as opposed to the core that was playing like crap. That makes no sense. The core was costing us games, quit blaming the supporting cast for our record because they are not able to carry the team. Blame the guys who were not playing anywhere close to their potential. Iggy and Tangs are way down the list of reasons for our record, both good and bad.
We should not be counting on the supporting cast to consistently win. That's the core's job. Something they were not doing early on. We have been getting the same play and production from the supporting cast all year. There isn't a team in the league who can consistently win via their supporting cast when the core is consistently crapping the bed. If these guys were good enough to carry a team and win consistently they would be core players in higher roles.
And we are not talking long term. We are talking about what has happened already. You can't blame Holden for our record because his play isn't sustainable. All that matters in this discussion is how he has played this year so far, which is better than anyone thought he would. Holden is a perfect example of my point. Nobody was giving him any credit early on when we were losing, and lots of people would point out every single mistake he would make followed by the typical 'he sucks' comments. But now that we are winning he is actually starting to get some praise for being better than expected. He has been playing the same all year though.
WAT r they thinking?
Seriously head shot, first point of contact is head
left his feet,
It is absurd and another reason for anyone to suggest the NHL is trying anything to change
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