Post-Game Talk: Game 2 | Stars @ Avs | Salvation Achieved
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Half way through the game, Roy realized that Guenin with Barrie wasn't a good idea so he switched things around, next he will realize that Guenin and Holden 3rd pair isn't a good idea either so he'll scratch one or both of them(hopefully) Small steps, small steps
Hans Landaskog
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They are better when playing together and sheltered. I feel like when they are with better players they try to play above their skill-set. This will hopefully keep them playing a simple game.
I could not tell if it was broken before he went into the box or not. He sure was mad at it when he got there though.
And while I agree that MacK has started out playing more like the #1, Duchene is likely still considered higher on the depth chart for now. But it will be like deciding between Sakic and Forsberg...who is the #1 there?
Holden-Stuart is still a better pairing than Holden-Guenin. And I would like to see how Stuart-Gormley works in a game as well.
I just don't get the Guenin thing from Roy AT ALL. I was in the sixth row, behind the net and was watching Guenin closely. Very slow foot speed, at the NHL level and usually out of position. Top that off with the constant chatter when he should simply shut up and focus on doing his job.
Respect Roy and he knows a lot more about hockey than I, but something is not right. Its not like Guenin is bad at the finer points of his position, he lacks D 101 skills too.
Respect Roy and he knows a lot more about hockey than I, but something is not right. Its not like Guenin is bad at the finer points of his position, he lacks D 101 skills too.
True, I expect MacK to pass him eventually, maybe even this season. But part of that is linemate quality. MacK has a much better LW this year (not knocking Comeau...but top line winger he is not). The other part is age....that 4 years is gong to catch up to Duchene at some point...he will plateau, and MacK will continue to improve for a few years. Plus MacK has a better overall game....Duchene can be just as good in one dimension, MacK will be much better in the others.
Age-old coachthink, especially those with that old-school mentality: Coaches just love guys who go out there and sacrifice the body blocking shots, as opposed to the guy who doesn't block shots, but has decent hands/wheels and can skate it or pass it out of the zone. One guy's mistakes are far, far more glaring than the other's. It doesn't seem obvious to most who just watch the game that the guy blocking shots with hands of stone is having to do so because he never has the puck, whereas the other guy is in essence a better defensive asset because he can get the puck out of the zone, which is a riskier but far more effective form of shot prevention.
I think the thing that kills me most about Guenin is that when he was focused on flattening opposing forwards, he was halfway effective. When they changed his game and turned him into a floating shot-blocking zeppelin, he went from somewhat useful plug to worst d-man in the league. Roy wouldn't dare tell Cody McLeod to quit hitting people, not sure why he and the assistants told Guenin to do so.
What's most frustrating about Roy and his approach to Guenin is that he KNOWS Guenin is a liability on skates. He shelters him throughout the whole game and outright benches him when things get tight. Yet game after game there he is...now that there are obviously better options on the team, he's still there and I just don't get why Roy is making his own job that much harder by sticking with a guy he clearly knows is no good.
tigervixxxen
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Mack centering Landy makes him the 1C IMO. Landy's line will always get the minutes and match top lines. He's on the first PP unit and he PKs now. What's preventing him from being seen as the 1C? Of course it has to continue and I'm not putting it past Roy to shake things up but there seems to be a determination to give him this role and he's done well thus far.
tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
The best part if Zadorov-Barrie sticks is hopefully that erases Roy's reason to play Guenin because he's not with Barrie.
Something that hasn't gotten much attention here because everyone seems to be focusing more on Duchene, but Varly has been disappointing so far.
Both games now I get nervous whenever the opposing team just enters the zone, not because of our defense which is normally the case, but because there is just that feeling of any shot can go in, which isn't the norm for Varly.
Both games now I get nervous whenever the opposing team just enters the zone, not because of our defense which is normally the case, but because there is just that feeling of any shot can go in, which isn't the norm for Varly.
Yeah, I know he will turn it around. He usually has a few slump games in a row, but for some reason to me this one just seems worse than his ones in the past.
But yeah, with Varlamov in net, if the worst thing I'm complaining about is goaltending, then things must be pretty good!
But yeah, with Varlamov in net, if the worst thing I'm complaining about is goaltending, then things must be pretty good!
Ararana
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Not too worried about Varly. I agree he's having a rough start, but I'm confident he'll shake off the rust and get back to his normal beast mode form. He's been one of more consistent players over the last few years.
Duchene, Barrie and Varly will get hot at some point later.
Landy, Iggy and Mac will get colder at some point later.
It's just how things work. No point in being worried about someone or overly excited about someones production this early.
Landy, Iggy and Mac will get colder at some point later.
It's just how things work. No point in being worried about someone or overly excited about someones production this early.
Is it just me or does Mackinnon look significantly bigger than the 183 cm he is supposed to be according to wiki, eliteprospects and nhl.com. Maybe he is just so strong on the puck and so fast but is he not taller than 183 (6'0)?
tigervixxxen
Optimism=Delusional
He's definitely closer to 6'1 IMO. They never update that stuff.
I agree that Varly hasn't found his groove yet.
I agree that Varly hasn't found his groove yet.
Avs_19
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Not worried about some of our best players struggling after two games but I am VERY excited about how MacKinnon looks early on. This is what I was expecting last season. He's going to be special.
Me too. Performance is one thing. Production a different thing. Too often we get them mixed up.
agentblack
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Im hoping the way Roy wants to group to play will give Matty more license to use his strength in a more aggressive manner. I think he gets engaged way more if he's doing some hitting, getting hit, and trying to put pucks on net and dig for garbage goals. Cause I think teams got his move down. In both games he's tried to do it and it got snuffed out. Its ok to get grimey Matt
very nice beating the stars..
Really nice
My 2 cents worth regarding Dutchy is he is nursing a bad leg,
He does not have the explosive jump that he showed in pre season....
Really nice
My 2 cents worth regarding Dutchy is he is nursing a bad leg,
He does not have the explosive jump that he showed in pre season....
