GDT: Game # 11: Blue Jackets @ Devils, 7PM, MSG+

[NJDevs26]

If they don't send Clemmer down and bring up Kinkaid for the first backup game it's really playing with fire. All Clemmer's played in the last month is a couple of bad relief appearances.

Still I do expect them to play Clemmer, they don't want to disrespect him I think

 

[glenwo2]

If they don't send Clemmer down and bring up Kinkaid for the first backup game it's really playing with fire. All Clemmer's played in the last month is a couple of bad relief appearances.

Still I do expect them to play Clemmer, they don't want to disrespect him I think

If Clemmer plays at all against the Blues(home or away), it could get ugly as in "8 goals allowed" ugly.

 

[SeidoN]

playing Clemmer against STL will go very well for us

 

[glenwo2]

playing Clemmer against STL will go very well for us

You forgot the .

 

[SeidoN]

You forgot the .

im not joking. Clemmer will get a shutout and the Cory vs Clemmer threads will begin

 

[Ben Matlock]

Clemmer will get a start.

If he's horrible: Kinkaid
If he's meh: second chance
If he's good: Kinkaid in 2015

 

[glenwo2]

im not joking. Clemmer will get a shutout and the Cory vs Clemmer threads will begin

Clemmer will be hard-pressed to *only* give up 2-3 goals.


Shutout? Not likely. (unless it's the Devils who get shut out)

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

so we are 2nd in PP% but 29th in SH%

what world is this?

 

[captainscott]

Really happy with the comeback win, loved the goals from the 2 Adams.

Sure, the team can be better, but to see where we stand this year compared to last, I'm very pleased with everything so far. Knowing the team can only improve from here makes me feel even better.

I'm not worried about Jagr, I think he gets better as the season goes on if last year was evidence of anything. Him and Zajac will be fine.

I'm with everyone else on Ruutu, he deserves a chance on a line playing higher minutes. I think he could provide more in a higher role than some of the other forwards.

Cory has looked very strong in the last 3 wins. Glad to see that it appears the Pittsburgh nightmare is behind him.

record wise I am happy with where they are.....but I have seen many signs that I don't like from this team... lots of sloppy play defensively which im willing to overlook due to many new faces on defense. but it's important management doesn't get complacent with this team too many individuals that are key performers need to pick it up. I am really curious to see what debeor decides on lineup once camm and havlat return.

I think he finally realizes that the speed of this team is their achillies heel .... I fear he is going to make the wrong lineup choices when he has options. and why can't Merrill sit a game for gelinas? Merrill has made plenty of mistakes to justify a night off , Larsson in my opinion has been more than solid defensively and only severson has been more impressive than Larsson when comparing him to the 4 young dmen. not reason he should be scratched. in addition to the fact that his presence gives us 3 right handed shots from point. vs 2. in my eyes the rotation should be Merrill and gelinas not gelinas and Larsson.

 

[captainscott]

so we are 2nd in PP% but 29th in SH%

what world is this?

very strange indeed. I guess when you take the two main killers off the team its to be expected and lose marty broduer as a stickhandler. I don't see signs that the pk is going to vastly improve in the immediate future so they gotta keep scoring on pp to wash it out.

maybe they should consider someone else on the kill instead of Salvador?

 

[Zippy316]

record wise I am happy with where they are.....but I have seen many signs that I don't like from this team... lots of sloppy play defensively which im willing to overlook due to many new faces on defense. but it's important management doesn't get complacent with this team too many individuals that are key performers need to pick it up. I am really curious to see what debeor decides on lineup once camm and havlat return.

I think he finally realizes that the speed of this team is their achillies heel .... I fear he is going to make the wrong lineup choices when he has options. and why can't Merrill sit a game for gelinas? Merrill has made plenty of mistakes to justify a night off , Larsson in my opinion has been more than solid defensively and only severson has been more impressive than Larsson when comparing him to the 4 young dmen. not reason he should be scratched. in addition to the fact that his presence gives us 3 right handed shots from point. vs 2. in my eyes the rotation should be Merrill and gelinas not gelinas and Larsson.

Salvador, Merrill, and Greene are the three most trusted guys defensively, with Severson slowly gaining the trust of the coaching staff. Larsson doesn't really have that trust yet, once he does defensively, it's plausible Merrill can come out and Larsson can slide into that role. Otherwise, Gelinas is likely to just come in for Larsson, unless Severson's play dips.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

very strange indeed. I guess when you take the two main killers off the team its to be expected and lose marty broduer as a stickhandler. I don't see signs that the pk is going to vastly improve in the immediate future so they gotta keep scoring on pp to wash it out.

maybe they should consider someone else on the kill instead of Salvador?

that would make too much sense.

 

[captainscott]

Clemmer will be hard-pressed to *only* give up 2-3 goals.


Shutout? Not likely. (unless it's the Devils who get shut out)

I rhink it will only take one bad outing by clemmeson to be sent down. I think the plan was play corey often early keep kinkaid fresh and then see if clemmenson can come in and do the job. if he is uncapable they cannot have an unreliable back up and that means Kincaid only gets 2-3 games a month than so be it

 

[captainscott]

that would make too much sense.

whats the worst thing that can happen they drop to 30th in the league in pk? worth a shot in my opinion.

 

[captainscott]

Salvador, Merrill, and Greene are the three most trusted guys defensively, with Severson slowly gaining the trust of the coaching staff. Larsson doesn't really have that trust yet, once he does defensively, it's plausible Merrill can come out and Larsson can slide into that role. Otherwise, Gelinas is likely to just come in for Larsson, unless Severson's play dips.

that's my point I don't see why Merrill has that trust. he has been pretty shaky back their the past few games in my opinion

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

whats the worst thing that can happen they drop to 30th in the league in pk? worth a shot in my opinion.

yep, exactly. this is what I have been saying. People tell me "Salvador plays a role!!!" but right now, he is playing that role HORRIBLY.

Maybe try using Greene, Severson, Merrill, and Larsson on the PK? But we all know Pete will never take Salvador out of that role.

 

[Zippy316]

that's my point I don't see why Merrill has that trust. he has been pretty shaky back their the past few games in my opinion

He hasn't been doing to well since the Pittsburgh game, but I give him the benefit of the doubt. He is one of our most reliable defenseman; he will turn it around.

 

[Zippy316]

yep, exactly. this is what I have been saying. People tell me "Salvador plays a role!!!" but right now, he is playing that role HORRIBLY.

Maybe try using Greene, Severson, Merrill, and Larsson on the PK? But we all know Pete will never take Salvador out of that role.

If Salvador isn't playing the PK, it's pointless to have him in the roster.

Salvador isn't the best defensemen, but in the right, sheltered role, he can be effective. The problem is he lost his partner, Volchenkov, on the PK and Greene lost his, Fayne, as well. The chemistry between those two on the PK was vital. You can't just stick Greene with Salvador and hope it works, cause it clearly hasn't. Also, they are putting Greene on his off side which is a completely different situation that he is used to. They should stick with Salvador-Merrill, Greene-Severson/Larsson and let them get acclimated to each other.

That being said, Salvador needs to play PK and limited even strength minutes unless we are protecting the lead. If we can do that, Salvador's problems will be a lot less noticeable. Whether or not DeBoer does that, that's a completely different story.

 

[Cheddabombs]

that's my point I don't see why Merrill has that trust. he has been pretty shaky back their the past few games in my opinion

I don't see him playing that shaky to be honest, aside from that game against the Pens. But it seems like every little mistake he does make is getting blown way out of proportion now, like he's become the new scapegoat. I remember specifically I think 2 games ago or something, when he wiffed on a shot from a good area. There was at least 10 posts of people saying things like "wow Merrill really is playing bad right now, he should be benched next game." What? He fanned on a shot, and I'm pretty sure the puck was rolling to begin with. He is still doing little things right consistently but those go seemingly unnoticed.

 

[Devils731]

very strange indeed. I guess when you take the two main killers off the team its to be expected and lose marty broduer as a stickhandler. I don't see signs that the pk is going to vastly improve in the immediate future so they gotta keep scoring on pp to wash it out.

maybe they should consider someone else on the kill instead of Salvador?

I mentioned it in the team thread, the Devils PK system is much different than last years. The system looks awful on both paper and ice, I'm not sure any group of players could make the current system really work.

 

[devilsblood]

If Salvador isn't playing the PK, it's pointless to have him in the roster.

Salvador isn't the best defensemen, but in the right, sheltered role, he can be effective. The problem is he lost his partner, Volchenkov, on the PK and Greene lost his, Fayne, as well. The chemistry between those two on the PK was vital. You can't just stick Greene with Salvador and hope it works, cause it clearly hasn't. Also, they are putting Greene on his off side which is a completely different situation that he is used to. They should stick with Salvador-Merrill, Greene-Severson/Larsson and let them get acclimated to each other.

That being said, Salvador needs to play PK and limited even strength minutes unless we are protecting the lead. If we can do that, Salvador's problems will be a lot less noticeable. Whether or not DeBoer does that, that's a completely different story.

Well this goes to a couple guys point above, Sal is playing that PK role, and the results have been terrible. the PK% and the % of pk goals that sal is on the ice for are very noticeable.

 

[devilsblood]

I mentioned it in the team thread, the Devils PK system is much different than last years. The system looks awful on both paper and ice, I'm not sure any group of players could make the current system really work.

Interesting theory.

If u bring that up to Chere he'd prob ask deboer about it. He seems pretty good at asking the questions that fans are asking.

 

[Zippy316]

Well this goes to a couple guys point above, Sal is playing that PK role, and the results have been terrible. the PK% and the % of pk goals that sal is on the ice for are very noticeable.

The PK as a whole has been terrible. I'm willing to bet it has more to do with the loss of Fayne and Volchenkov then it does with Salvador.

Those were two great PKers who partnered perfectly with Salvador and Greene.

 

[glenwo2]

so we are 2nd in PP% but 29th in SH%

what world is this?

Topsy-Turvy.

 

[Emperoreddy]

so we are 2nd in PP% but 29th in SH%

what world is this?

I can't believe Isles are worst SH%, but then I watched them last night and it made sense.