Post-Game Talk: Game 10: Penalty Killer Queen | Blackhawks vs. Flames | 11/1/16 7:30 p.m. (CSN)

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ChiHawks10

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It certainly appeared to me that Toew's head was not in the game - the intensity is just not present and I think that lack of hunger/drive can be infectious.. gotta wonder what his priorities are these days? Last season everyone expected "playoff Toews" to show up and it didn't happen. Supposedly it was fatigue back then. I think he should spend some time meditating before Thursday's next encounter and eat some steak! Rare.

Maybe a certain female in his life is pressuring him for that ring and some babies? IDK.
 

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I don't like Keith on the powerplay at all

I'm a Keith fan and understand what he does for the team ... but he's not very effective as the point on the power play.

I'm still trying to figure out how he shattered his stick with no one around him ... pushing the puck to a defender. I'm not sure if it's the right play to go to the bench to grab a stick on an odd man rush ... but at least grab the player when clearly beaten and up a goal. Duncan also needs to stop shooting at defenders on power plays. Shoot at the net please ... or at least at the goalie.
 

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I'm a Keith fan and understand what he does for the team ... but he's not very effective as the point on the power play.

I'm still trying to figure out how he shattered his stick with no one around him ... pushing the puck to a defender. I'm not sure if it's the right play to go to the bench to grab a stick on an odd man rush ... but at least grab the player when clearly beaten and up a goal. Duncan also needs to stop shooting at defenders on power plays. Shoot at the net please ... or at least at the goalie.

Seriously?
 

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I'm a Keith fan and understand what he does for the team ... but he's not very effective as the point on the power play.

I'm still trying to figure out how he shattered his stick with no one around him ... pushing the puck to a defender. I'm not sure if it's the right play to go to the bench to grab a stick on an odd man rush ... but at least grab the player when clearly beaten and up a goal. Duncan also needs to stop shooting at defenders on power plays. Shoot at the net please ... or at least at the goalie.

His stick shattered taking a shot...
 

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Guys shatter sticks on open slapshots all the time.

I know ... but there was no one around him. He had no pressure and had the puck under control. You'd think a 2x Norris Trophy winner wouldn't slam his stick into the ice with plenty of time. Even if it happens all the time, it was not one of Keith's best moments on the ice.
 

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I know ... but there was no one around him. He had no pressure and had the puck under control. You'd think a 2x Norris Trophy winner wouldn't slam his stick into the ice with plenty of time. Even if it happens all the time, it was not one of Keith's best moments on the ice.

I can't really blame him for that goal at all. He has no idea that he's going to wind up to take a slapshot(from a high-percentage area of the ice right between/at the top of the circles, btw) and have his stick snap under the torque/flex. And then he missed the handoff at the bench, or that goal probably never happens. He didn't "slam" his stick into the ice. He wound up to take a slapshot from a good position on the ice. And was actually fairly quick about his wind up and release, which I'm happy about, as he seems to always have the slowest, monster of a wind up for his shot from the point, and seems to always take his time back there too much, allowing guys to get in the shooting lanes...

Was just bad luck.
 

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Twig's snapping is part of hockey. Life happens sometimes.

I'll trust you guys that sticks snapping is a random occurrence. So how do you feel about Duncan's decision to go to the bench to grab a stick on an odd man rush? It sounds like the right decision, but it sure backfired.
 

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I'll trust you guys that sticks snapping is a random occurrence. So how do you feel about Duncan's decision to go to the bench to grab a stick on an odd man rush. It sounds like the right decision, but it sure backfired.

Honestly, it's the right play, IMO. He had AA coming back to help, which you can see Duncs look back and see that, hesitate a bit, then go to the bench. But AA stopped skating so Frolik got a stride or two on him, which was the bigger reason why it was scored. If he keeps his feet moving and doesn't start gliding, then he's there to lift the stick of Frolik. I'd say 9/10 times Duncs completes that bench handoff of the stick and has the speed to recover, and prevent the goal. He just happened to miss the handoff of the stick.

He made a judgement call, and I thought it was the right one.
 

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Calgary's lone goal was a total cluster. There's really nothing you can do on a rush like that without a stick except lay on the ice or take a penalty. Anisimov was the third man back and was in position to make a play but he just... didn't. Crow was convinced a shot was coming and instead of moving over to face Frolik he made the beer league flop. Seabrook angled the shooter pretty well and it's hard to give him too much flak for letting the pass through.
 

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Honestly, it's the right play, IMO. He had AA coming back to help, which you can see Duncs look back and see that, hesitate a bit, then go to the bench. But AA stopped skating so Frolik got a stride or two on him, which was the bigger reason why it was scored. If he keeps his feet moving and doesn't start gliding, then he's there to lift the stick of Frolik. I'd say 9/10 times Duncs completes that bench handoff of the stick and has the speed to recover, and prevent the goal. He just happened to miss the handoff of the stick.

He made a judgement call, and I thought it was the right one.

Spot on, IMO. Bad luck. At least it didn't cost us any points.
 

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I'm a Keith fan and understand what he does for the team ... but he's not very effective as the point on the power play.

I'm still trying to figure out how he shattered his stick with no one around him ... pushing the puck to a defender. I'm not sure if it's the right play to go to the bench to grab a stick on an odd man rush ... but at least grab the player when clearly beaten and up a goal. Duncan also needs to stop shooting at defenders on power plays. Shoot at the net please ... or at least at the goalie.

Manufacturing fails.
 

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At this point I think we would rather have Vesey than Toews ..the rookie for NYR having an easy time beating goalies (6 goals now plus 3a after the 1g 2a he got last night vs. STL of all tough teams to get points on) whereas our vaunted $10.5 m captain is struggling and ineffective and vs.CGY last night cannot even muster 1 single shot!You know if we can win 5-1 while getting out-competed 5/6ths of a game then why do we need to spend $10.5 million of cap just on a faceoff specialist who does nothing else anymore for us?
 

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I can't really blame him for that goal at all. He has no idea that he's going to wind up to take a slapshot(from a high-percentage area of the ice right between/at the top of the circles, btw) and have his stick snap under the torque/flex. And then he missed the handoff at the bench, or that goal probably never happens. He didn't "slam" his stick into the ice. He wound up to take a slapshot from a good position on the ice. And was actually fairly quick about his wind up and release, which I'm happy about, as he seems to always have the slowest, monster of a wind up for his shot from the point, and seems to always take his time back there too much, allowing guys to get in the shooting lanes...

Was just bad luck.

Of course Keith couldn't do much after his stick broke but it goes back to his inability to get the puck to the net that occurs regularly in every game ... and it's mainly because of that big friggen wind-up that most PKers are able to get in the way of. It drives me crazy.
 

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At this point I think we would rather have Vesey than Toews ..the rookie for NYR having an easy time beating goalies (6 goals now plus 3a after the 1g 2a he got last night vs. STL of all tough teams to get points on) whereas our vaunted $10.5 m captain is struggling and ineffective and vs.CGY last night cannot even muster 1 single shot!You know if we can win 5-1 while getting out-competed 5/6ths of a game then why do we need to spend $10.5 million of cap just on a faceoff specialist who does nothing else anymore for us?

Maybe YOU would rather have vesey than toews. no need to throw a royal we around with something like this.
 

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At this point I think we would rather have Vesey than Toews ..the rookie for NYR having an easy time beating goalies (6 goals now plus 3a after the 1g 2a he got last night vs. STL of all tough teams to get points on) whereas our vaunted $10.5 m captain is struggling and ineffective and vs.CGY last night cannot even muster 1 single shot!You know if we can win 5-1 while getting out-competed 5/6ths of a game then why do we need to spend $10.5 million of cap just on a faceoff specialist who does nothing else anymore for us?

Cringe-worthy post. Talk about some major recency bias.
 
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At this point I think we would rather have Vesey than Toews ..the rookie for NYR having an easy time beating goalies (6 goals now plus 3a after the 1g 2a he got last night vs. STL of all tough teams to get points on) whereas our vaunted $10.5 m captain is struggling and ineffective and vs.CGY last night cannot even muster 1 single shot!You know if we can win 5-1 while getting out-competed 5/6ths of a game then why do we need to spend $10.5 million of cap just on a faceoff specialist who does nothing else anymore for us?

:shakehead

I should probably just stop reading anything you post moving forward.
 

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At this point I think we would rather have Vesey than Toews ..the rookie for NYR having an easy time beating goalies (6 goals now plus 3a after the 1g 2a he got last night vs. STL of all tough teams to get points on) whereas our vaunted $10.5 m captain is struggling and ineffective and vs.CGY last night cannot even muster 1 single shot!You know if we can win 5-1 while getting out-competed 5/6ths of a game then why do we need to spend $10.5 million of cap just on a faceoff specialist who does nothing else anymore for us?

:shakehead

But we'd rather have Anisimov than Malkin right? :sarcasm:
 

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At this point I think we would rather have Vesey than Toews ..the rookie for NYR having an easy time beating goalies (6 goals now plus 3a after the 1g 2a he got last night vs. STL of all tough teams to get points on) whereas our vaunted $10.5 m captain is struggling and ineffective and vs.CGY last night cannot even muster 1 single shot!You know if we can win 5-1 while getting out-competed 5/6ths of a game then why do we need to spend $10.5 million of cap just on a faceoff specialist who does nothing else anymore for us?

Sorry, but I'm not giving back our THREE Cups with Toews.
 
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