Future of Leafs D

[saffronleaf]

So looks like Muzzin and hole aren't going to cut it. What do the Leafs do about the D?

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[Dreakmur]

So looks like Muzzin and hole aren't going to cut it. What do the Leafs do about the D?

Play Liljegren and Sandin more.

 

[ACC1224]

So looks like Muzzin and hole aren't going to cut it. What do the Leafs do about the D?

Suggested weeks ago that they need to give Lillijgren an extended look with Muzzin. That didn't go over too well with the regulars.
Guessing before long it will start to seem like a great idea.

 

[mydnyte]

So looks like Muzzin and hole aren't going to cut it. What do the Leafs do about the D?

piss off Muzzin enough to make him demand a trade and waive hit NTC

 

[ACC1224]

piss off Muzzin enough to make him demand a trade and waive hit NTC

Not that I think they would move him but does he have a full NTC or just a list of certain teams he can't be traded to?

 

[mydnyte]

Suggested weeks ago that they need to give Lillijgren an extended look with Muzzin. That didn't go over too well with the regulars.
Guessing before long it will start to seem like a great idea.

what they need to do is give Lil an extended long term contract while he still may be willing to sign one for under 2/per on a long deal. ...as soon as he's secured a spot, thats not likely to be an option, short deals with a raise every year like Dermott, but, if he surpasses Dermott, we'll have wasted the chance
I'd also like to try him with Rielly, and move Brodie down with Muzzin, as he seems to go into rush mode way too often and get caught up ice, and a better shutdown pair could be useful.

 

[mydnyte]

Not that I think they would move him but does he have a full NTC or just a list of certain teams he can't be traded to?

full NTC right now, and starting July 1, 2023: Player submits a 10 team no trade list. (capfriendly)

 

[ACC1224]

full NTC right now, and starting July 1, 2023: Player submits a 10 team no trade list. (capfriendly)

Yikes. I guess you don't get to be the most popular GM with Agents for nothing.

 

[zeke]

Rielly 27 --- Lilljegren 22
Sandin 21 -- Niemela 19
Rubins 24 -- Dermott 25​

 

[Gary Nylund]

So first it was JT who was so old and slow that he went from being a core player to being a liability, now it's Muzzin.

 

[mydnyte]

So first it was JT who was so old and slow that he went from being a core player to being a liability, now it's Muzzin.

when Muzzin plays back he's good, when Muzzin thinks he is a 2-way force, he sucks.

 

[AvroArrow]

Get rid of Holl first please. He's one of the worst D-men I've seen in a loooong time. I dunno wtf happened to this guy. I'd still like to hold on to Muzzin, he's a big physical D man. He hasn't been good this year but I still believe he can turn it around.

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Lily
Muzzin - *Manson (make it happen Dubas)

And you can play around with the bottom 2 pairings, swap Lily/Manson so you have some mobility and physicality on every pairing.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

piss off Muzzin enough to make him demand a trade and waive hit NTC

He signed here to raise his new family at his home (and family's homes) in Woodstock .. he has condo at Kipling/Dundas and goes back and forth in his truck .. he ain't going anywhere my friend

 

[Fogelhund]

Get rid of Holl first please. He's one of the worst D-men I've seen in a loooong time. I dunno wtf happened to this guy. I'd still like to hold on to Muzzin, he's a big physical D man. He hasn't been good this year but I still believe he can turn it around.

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Lily
Muzzin - *Manson (make it happen Dubas)

And you can play around with the bottom 2 pairings, swap Lily/Manson so you have some mobility and physicality on every pairing.

Under an assumption where you add Manson, you don't pair him with Muzzin... You give Muzzin someone a little more mobile, like Lily.

 

[Gary Nylund]

when Muzzin plays back he's good, when Muzzin thinks he is a 2-way force, he sucks.

True enough. All players have their ups and downs, I'm still counting on Muzzin being an important player for us when the playoffs start.

 

[mydnyte]

True enough. All players have their ups and downs, I'm still counting on Muzzin being an important player for us when the playoffs start.

he needs to invest in bigger/better shot block covers/skate fenders though
...what this team really needs is a Gary Nylund!

 

[Notsince67]

Yikes. I guess you don't get to be the most popular GM with Agents for nothing.

There isnt a no movement clause. You tell him you are sending him to the Marlies and putting him on waivers....might be picked up by a crap city or he can facilitate a trade to a better one.

 

[TMLAM34]

It’s pretty clear that the Leafs need to upgrade on Holl/Dermott. There really isn’t very many realistic options out there right now.

Damon Severson would be ideal but would probably cost an arm and a leg on top of New Jersey probably not wanting to move him. Matt Roy could be a solid option from LA.

To Toronto: Matt Roy
To Los Angeles: Travis Dermott, Pierre Engvall


Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Kampf - Kase
Ritchie - Spezza - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Roy
Muzzin - Liljegren


We either keep Holl as the 7th or trade him for a draft pick and a cheaper 7th dman.

 

[tuckertowns]

That pairing has been dreadful all season. Odd man rushes one after another. Holl is a 3rd pairing defenseman, simple as that. I think we need to have a look at different pairings and see if something else works and make a trade close to the deadline to give us more depth.

Rielly - Sandin
Muzzin - Brodie
Dermott - Liljegren
-Rubins

Trade Holl immediately. Make a trade at the deadline for a tough defenseman who can play tough playoff style minutes in a shutdown/PK roll.

 

[Dreakmur]

There isnt a no movement clause. You tell him you are sending him to the Marlies and putting him on waivers....might be picked up by a crap city or he can facilitate a trade to a better one.

A no movement clause means he can’t be sent to the Marlies or put on waivers.

 

[ACC1224]

There isnt a no movement clause. You tell him you are sending him to the Marlies and putting him on waivers....might be picked up by a crap city or he can facilitate a trade to a better one.

Dubas doesn't play like that.

 

[mydnyte]

It’s pretty clear that the Leafs need to upgrade on Holl/Dermott. There really isn’t very many realistic options out there right now.

Damon Severson would be ideal but would probably cost an arm and a leg on top of New Jersey probably not wanting to move him. Matt Roy could be a solid option from LA.

To Toronto: Matt Roy
To Los Angeles: Travis Dermott, Pierre Engvall


Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Kampf - Kase
Ritchie - Spezza - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Roy
Muzzin - Liljegren


We either keep Holl as the 7th or trade him for a draft pick and a cheaper 7th dman.

once Mik is ready, i'd offer Holl and Engvall to MTL for Chiarot ...though, someone will likely offer a 1st for him as a rental (just hope it isnt us)

 

[zeke]

 

[TMLAM34]

once Mik is ready, i'd offer Holl and Engvall to MTL for Chiarot ...though, someone will likely offer a 1st for him as a rental (just hope it isnt us)

Only downfall with Chiarot is that he’s another left hand defenceman which would potentially only leave us with Liljegren being a righty.

 

[pspot]

Severson would be a good target
or maybe something big like Marner for Klingberg ++