News Article: "Fun With Numbers" - Advanced Stats Talk Here

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  1. bornNraised Sens

    bornNraised Sens Registered User

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    I know very little about stats in hockey, but was wondering if something related to player usage for the player's first and second year would be included? Something to show that a player was "rushed" into too large or a role in a second year or what would the "ideal" progression be for a player between first and second year.
     
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    Does anyone know of someone who tracks zone entries for the Sens like jenlc does for Chicago?
     
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    MannyElk used to do it but only for last season. The page is no longer up though

    Sidenote, those graphs I posted look more impressive when they aren't tiny. I'll try and edit the post with bigger pics later.
     
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    Back from the dead, more fun with numbers

    Seems like Ottawa has an open mind wrt fancy stats afterall...
     
  7. StefanW

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    I remember hearing a rumour a while back that the person is a grad student at a local university. It is a decent "dip your toe in the water" type of thing, but it is a very far way from showing the team has any level of commitment to analytics. Also, having a person running the numbers and listening to that person can be two separate things.
     
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    Fenix Rises 2026 Alfie forever!

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    Sorry Mods about the vintage bump here.

    Thought I'd share some work I threw together on automated player comparisons for a few sens players. Apologies as it's perhaps not the easiest image to understand. Basically, these are automatically generated player comparisons. The closer a player is to the bottom, the more closely they're related to that Sens player statistically. So, Letang is Karlsson's top comparable player in 2015-16 and John Carlson was his 10th most closely related player. Notably, I didn't tell the data what position players play, which is really cool because it almost perfectly matched defence to defence and forward to forward. And the comparisons seem reasonable on the surface. I might get around to doing the rest of the team if anyone is interested.

    What do you think, does this match expectations? Do they make sense? Any other players you'd like to see?

    [​IMG]

    P.S. Will work for free tickets (I'm looking at you Cyril!)
     
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    Nice! What criteria did you use to compare players?
     
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    Fenix Rises 2026 Alfie forever!

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    There's a bunch of criteria used in the metric. A few dozen variables are fed into it.

    Interesting side note from this research....Boro and Patrick Kane are just one spot removed from being the two "least comparable" players in the entire NHL. Finally, someone confirmed what we've all been thinking!
     
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    Dude, if you're bringing interesting new content, no need to apologize ever. This is the kind of stuff I love to see, personally. Brassard being Hoffman's closest comparable is super interesting. And the divide between EK/Burns/Letang and Subban is unsurprising but still pretty awesome.
     
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    How's the analytics department looking under the Dorion regime. Have they increased their analytics department grown at all from that part time Ottawa U graduate or is it still a skeleton.
     
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    Source, interview Sept. 24.

    Sure looks like it!
     
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    Cookson's a assistant coach though. I meant like is there a increased analytics dept who reports to the gm to add value to player personnel moves.
     
  17. dzingelalltheway

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    That's why I bolded what I did. Cookson is presumably just a part of a more fleshed-out analytics department.
     
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    ‘It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.’

    Sherlock Holmes Quote

    -A Scandal in Bohemia
     
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    So other than Guy Bouchers quote, there is no actual descriptive and circumstantial proof of this 'a more fleshed-out analytics department' [excluding Cookson] ? ...Sens websites shows goose egg / zero for actual individuals in analytics.
     
  21. dzingelalltheway

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    Plenty of NHL teams have internal analytics they don't share with the public at large. Your inability to find any advanced stats on the Sens site means nothing relative to what they're doing in-house.

    It's okay to take a quote at face value, you know.
     
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    Just checked. Most Nhl team websites do in fact disclose analytics department with public / fans
     
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    Discuss them, yes. Go into depth with the exact findings and information, no.

    And if you don't believe the Sens have discussed them with the fans, maybe take a look at the first post, a.k.a. the entire reason why this thread was started.
     
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    Best to not take everything for face value and "follow the evidence wherever it leads, and question everything" -Neil deGrasse Tyson
     
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    PeterSidorkiewicz HFWF Tourney Undisputed Champion

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    I think I'm going to start to question the concept of gravity and also the earth being round. Seems too good to be true.
     

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