Friedman: Friedman suggests that Demko might be available at TDL and Canucks will be extremely busy as sellers

[McJedi]

Well, no shit it's an exaggeration haha, it's still atrocious.


Lmao that offer easily gets beat and its not even close.

Great. Let some stupid team overpay for Horvat then.

Just like when Vancouver scored a huge haul when they traded away JT Miller.

 

[oceanchild]

He really doesn’t though. He’s had 2 seasons as the starter. And only in one of those did he even play enough games to really be considered the starter. In both of those his save percentage was .915. That is stunningly average. Yes. He played behind a bad team. But even if you look at the advanced stat that best factors in shot quality he’s still middle of the road.

He’s a good goalie. I’m not saying he is t. But he’s nowhere near a franchise level keeper

So, I’m here telling you that the stats lie and you need to actually watch him play, and you double down on stats. I get the predilection with stats, but they don’t provide context at times and the context is that the defence jn front of him has been historically bad. Let me make the very very clear - the defence and structure jn front of him has been very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very bad, the worst I have ever seen bad. Okay, now to be even more specific, they have been very very very very very very very very very very very bad, with giving out cross ice passes deep in the zone and having defenders losing their guy low in front of the net. I don’t know a goalie that does well in those conditions.

So they sign JT Miller, but the rest of their moves are selling off value for future hopefuls. How does that make sense? Why not just move Miller and anyone else who is wrecking that locker-room and keep the rest? I get that Horvat likely wants out at this point, but if you move Demko, then you are going to get an less good goalie for the current guys.

It’s a legit question, I suspect that with all the losing they feel that Bo as a captain has not been able to hold others accountable and that Miller will due to the streak in him that appears to make him an ahole. Maybe they feel they have to much nice in the leadership and need more ahole.

 

[Qwijibo]

So, I’m here telling you that the stats lie and you need to actually watch him play, and you double down on stats. I get the predilection with stats, but they don’t provide context at times and the context is that the defence jn front of him has been historically bad. Let me make the very very clear - the defence and structure jn front of him has been very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very bad, the worst I have ever seen bad. Okay, now to be even more specific, they have been very very very very very very very very very very very bad, with giving out cross ice passes deep in the zone and having defenders losing their guy low in front of the net. I don’t know a goalie that does well in those conditions.


It’s a legit question, I suspect that with all the losing they feel that Bo as a captain has not been able to hold others accountable and that Miller will due to the streak in him that appears to make him an ahole. Maybe they feel they have to much nice in the leadership and need more ahole.

I watch almost every Canucks game. I’m well aware of all the factors. I stand by my statement that Demko’s reputation was cemented by and large by one playoff series. And while he’s a good goalie, he is not a franchise goalie.

Even last season, which was easily his best as a whole, he received almost zero consideration for the vezina. There’s a reason for that and it’s not eastern bias. Of all the western media that had votes he still only got a single 3rd place vote from one Vancouver based voter. That’s because in his best season he was still only the 10th-15th best goalie in the league.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Oh, sure. Now we're going to discuss selling off everyone and tanking instead of last year when we could have moved Miller and properly tanked this year for Bedard.

I swear this organization is so deluded it's sad. At least we may finally start a proper re-build but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[rocketdan9]

Canucks are going to clean house

Except Hughes, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Lazar, OEL (cant trade anyways), Myers (ntc)

And the RFAs

Imo
Horvat, Garland, Boeser, Schenn are to be traded. But wouldnt be surprised if Miller, Demko are goners also

Canucks will try tank for local boy Bedard

 

[Djp]

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Canucks are going to clean house

Except Hughes, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Lazar, OEL (cant trade anyways), Myers (ntc)

And the RFAs

Imo
Horvat, Garland, Boeser, Schenn are to be traded. But wouldnt be surprised if Miller, Demko are goners also

Canucks will try tank for local boy Bedard

Schenn and Horvat are obvious deadline trades
I think Boesser, Pearson , myers are off season
Garland will be hard to move without retention
Miller is a big unknown
I don’t see Demko being moved tillsummer 2024.he’s injured so they just hold him out To tank.

thry only have 3 retentions. 2 are used on Horvat and Schenn leaving just 2 to use till july 1.

 

[oceanchild]

I watch almost every Canucks game. I’m well aware of all the factors. I stand by my statement that Demko’s reputation was cemented by and large by one playoff series. And while he’s a good goalie, he is not a franchise goalie.

Even last season, which was easily his best as a whole, he received almost zero consideration for the vezina. There’s a reason for that and it’s not eastern bias. Of all the western media that had votes he still only got a single 3rd place vote from one Vancouver based voter. That’s because in his best season he was still only the 10th-15th best goalie in the league.

I disagree, he is just outside the top 5.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Only if you ignore our defence and how many high danger opportunities we give up per game. He’s been better than Schneider, despite Schneider coming off a .936sv% due to playing on a contending team.


Maybe, but I don’t really care since they shouldn’t be in a rush to trade him unless the return is a slam dunk.

Well, the return will never ever be the slam dunk you want, because goalies don't go for that much. It's not a maybe it's a fact.

There is ZERO chance a team like LA would give up Byfield or Clarke alone, not to mention adding a 1st, that's not a slam dunk it's highway robbery and will never happen.

Lmao Newhook easily. For a signed Horvat Carolina gives up Jarvis as well if they're intelligent.


Makes sense to me.


He's in front of the worst defense in NHL history. Not sure what you expect out of him. He's been hurt most of the year too.

Then we don't trade Horvat to Colorado, they can't afford him, kind of like how they didn't re-sign Kadri for the same reason, so no, were not getting Newhook, based on that alone, maybe we could get Jarvis for a signed Horvat, but even that seems like a pipe dream, players like that rarely get traded.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I was going to suggest Leafs offer Murray + 2nd rounder or B-prospect and it looks like I wasn't far off. Murray has a connection with Tocchet too!

Yes because a random fan from Washington totally sets the bar here........

No, that would be horrendous for the Canucks and no chance in hell it happens, it's f***ing laughable how much Demko is getting underrated here.

 

[Qwijibo]

I disagree, he is just outside the top 5.

I could pretty easily name 10 guys he’s behind. More if you factor in this years play and injury status.

 

[HabzSauce]

It looks at the difficulty of the shot and whether the goalie “should” have saved it. It’s that simple. There’s no bias against Demko. The bottom line is he’s had a couple of good seasons but he’s not the goalie god some fans make him out to be. Add in his injury and surgery history and his current status and he has “damaged goods” written all over him.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

Well, the return will never ever be the slam dunk you want, because goalies don't go for that much. It's not a maybe it's a fact.

There is ZERO chance a team like LA would give up Byfield or Clarke alone, not to mention adding a 1st, that's not a slam dunk it's highway robbery and will never happen.


Then we don't trade Horvat to Colorado, they can't afford him, kind of like how they didn't re-sign Kadri for the same reason, so no, were not getting Newhook, based on that alone, maybe we could get Jarvis for a signed Horvat, but even that seems like a pipe dream, players like that rarely get traded.

It depends on other factors. As an example, if LA needs to send Peterson back, that is easily a 1st to dump. That will guarantee a solid return. And Peterson will guarantee a couple bad seasons for high picks.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Murray for Demko straight up.

Couple struggling guys who need a change of scenery, right?

 

[VancouverJagger]

I watch almost every Canucks game. I’m well aware of all the factors. I stand by my statement that Demko’s reputation was cemented by and large by one playoff series. And while he’s a good goalie, he is not a franchise goalie.

Even last season, which was easily his best as a whole, he received almost zero consideration for the vezina. There’s a reason for that and it’s not eastern bias. Of all the western media that had votes he still only got a single 3rd place vote from one Vancouver based voter. That’s because in his best season he was still only the 10th-15th best goalie in the league.

Sorry bro completely disagree with your assessment of last year. You def. didn't watch as many games as you claim or are a poor evaluator. He's been clutch for us...........I do agree I'm not sure he's a franchise goalie as he hasn't been as consistent or good for long enough stretches to say that. But he's shown enough that a team would definitely be optimistic (and feel relatively good) thinking that he could regain form and be that number one they are looking for.

 

[Stickpucker]

Who will come away with more 1sts at the TDL the Canucks or Montreal?

 

[kvladimir]

It depends on other factors. As an example, if LA needs to send Peterson back, that is easily a 1st to dump. That will guarantee a solid return. And Peterson will guarantee a couple bad seasons for high picks.

I love me some chaos, so I would love to see (and to be clear: do not think that we WILL):

To LAK:

Horvat (extended: either 56Mx7yr or 60Mx8yr for a >8M cap hit)
Demko (once healthy)
+ 2 useful depth contracts of minimal cap (Dries/Burroughs?)

To VAN:

Petersen (cap dump, rehabitable during retool?)
Iafallo (useful player, but need the space)
Vilardi (who is replaced by Horvat, who can play C and is a proven playoff performer, and they keep Byfield for crazy C depth if he does break out)
Kupari
Grans
'23 1st (lotto protected)
'24 conditional 3rd (2nd if LAK make '24 playoffs, 1st if LAK go to 3rd round or higher, so pick would be bottom-4 in the round)

Way too big / risky, but I really think there are a lot of pieces on either side that the other would covet, given their respective situations. Go easy on me!

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I love me some chaos, so I would love to see (and to be clear: do not think that we WILL):

To LAK:

Horvat (extended: either 56Mx7yr or 60Mx8yr for a >8M cap hit)
Demko (once healthy)
+ 2 useful depth contracts of minimal cap (Dries/Burroughs?)

To VAN:

Petersen (cap dump, rehabitable during retool?)
Iafallo (useful player, but need the space)
Vilardi (who is replaced by Horvat, who can play C and is a proven playoff performer, and they keep Byfield for crazy C depth if he does break out)
Kupari
Grans
'23 1st (lotto protected)
'24 conditional 3rd (2nd if LAK make '24 playoffs, 1st if LAK go to 3rd round or higher, so pick would be bottom-4 in the round)

Way too big / risky, but I really think there are a lot of pieces on either side that the other would covet, given their respective situations. Go easy on me!

Oh LA fans won't like this at all.

As a Van fan I take this and run. No way Horvat signs for less than 8 either.

 

[McJedi]

Well, no shit it's an exaggeration haha, it's still atrocious.


Lmao that offer easily gets beat and it’s not even close.

Do you realize Newhook is well on his way to a 20+ goal season without much PP time or playing top six. He’s one of the highest scoring 3rd liners in the NHL. He’s having a very good season. I’m sure Sakic is very pleased with Newhooks production this year.

A one season (points) wonder like Horvat didn’t even convince Vancouvers own GM to consider this season when offering Horvat a new contract extension. He very openly admitted this. Vancouvers GM said this. So why would another team pony up when his own GM isn’t buying the production as sustainable.

Dude is a rental. He’ll fetch a rental price. A 1st in a great draft and an A- young scoring forward is too high a price. And Vancouver won’t get it either. Especially with your lousy GM running things. He’ll do what he always does. Overplay his hand like he did with JT Miller.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Marc Andre was traded for a second round pick at the trade deadline last year

Marc Andre was traded for a second round pick at the trade deadline last year

Robin lehner was traded for a fifth round pick

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Marc Andre was traded for a second round pick at the trade deadline last year


Robin lehner was traded for a fifth round pick

Vanecek for a second and a third

 

[AslanRH]

So this isn't speculation based on Demko wanting out, correct?

Catching up on the thread I was expecting to see some combination of
"between how they've handled injuries, Bruce, and likely Horvat"
Demko had had enough.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

"Maybe Demko , i never thought id say that but i think we are getting to that possibility too"
-Friedman on Demko getting traded

He also lists: Horvat, Boeser and Myers are likely done in Vancouver

Interesting with Demko though. Clearly he came back too soon this Fall from off season- surgery.

Canucks are not rushing him back to action.

Canucks are also very high on their AHL goalie in Arturs Silovs.

What would a Demko return be. A franchise goalie who is capable of stealing a series in the playoffs. In his prime at a very reasonable cap hit of 5 mil year for 3 more years after this one.

I'll believe it when I see it. Doubt we do much if anything at all at the TDL.

 

[LBCANUCK]

Who will come away with more 1sts at the TDL the Canucks or Montreal?

Montreal

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Montreal

Oh yah big time.

 

[AHLdepth]

Who will come away with more 1sts at the TDL the Canucks or Montreal?

I would sooner bet that MTL will walk away with our 1st then we walk away with more...