Free Agents and Trade Thread - Offseason Part II

[Stephen]

Because he extended with St Louis? Lol

No. If St. Louis thinks Pietrangelo is the best option to keep, why would we take Parayko off their hands for a premium when we can just go hard after Pietrangelo ourselves and then keep our prospects and picks? Seems like the Blues would be motivated sellers.

 

[Dreakmur]

Maybe Doug Armstrong is getting a pass since the Blues won the Cup in 2019. However using the logic others said about Dubas signing John Tavares since he had to re-sign Matthews, Marner, and Nylander. He knew that Pietrangelo contract was coming up soon and he trades for Justin Faulk and then signs him to a 7 year contract extension worth $6.5 million AAV. So how is that any different then what Dubas was doing?

Ever hear the old saying that two wrongs don't make a right?

Just because another GM signed a horrific contract doesn't mean our GM didn't butcher our salary cap structure.

 

[Dreakmur]

Dumba isn't what the Leafs need....at all.

Well, the Leafs just need good defensemen right now. Dumba isn't the ideal partner for Rielly, that's for sure.

Muzzin/Dumba would be a pretty slick pair. That only works if you get another RD for Rielly, or move him down to anchor the second pair.

 

[Dreakmur]

Imagine either one of those land, and Andy + a 2nd or 3rd does end up going to CAL for Sam Bennett + Rittich + the 19th OA.

I'm not sure how valid that trade rumour is, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. With Andersen being owed only 1 million next year, he could be pretty sought after by the budget teams.

Not sold on Rittich, but Bennett and the 1st is huge.

 

[Menzinger]

The Canes seemingly could be an interesting place for Andersen.

Budget consciousness team a with goaltending issues....

 

[Menzinger]

Nylander and Dermott for Dumba + 9OA, or Nylander for Severson, Zacha/Wood, and 15OA?

Imagine either one of those land, and Andy + a 2nd or 3rd does end up going to CAL for Sam Bennett + Rittich + the 19th OA.

3 picks in the top 20, a legit C prospect, and a top4 RHD, in need of a goalie. We could still flip AJ, Lilly and the 19th OA to STL for Parayko. What a wild offseason that would be.

Dumba is best for a team needing a pp qb,or a guy to drive play from the back end, so not the Leafs.he also just had a pretty down season

 

[LeafsNation75]

Ever hear the old saying that two wrongs don't make a right?

Just because another GM signed a horrific contract doesn't mean our GM didn't butcher our salary cap structure.

I'm just saying if Dubas gets bashed for screwing up the Leafs salary cap for the Tavares signing along with the contracts for Matthews and Marner, there is nothing wrong with pointing out that Doug Armstrong looks like he had a similar mistake trading for and extending Faulk, even though he also knew Pietrangelo was soon to become a UFA. So aren't those examples that look almost the same to each other?

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Nylander and Dermott for Dumba + 9OA, or Nylander for Severson, Zacha/Wood, and 15OA?

Imagine either one of those land, and Andy + a 2nd or 3rd does end up going to CAL for Sam Bennett + Rittich + the 19th OA.

3 picks in the top 20, a legit C prospect, and a top4 RHD, in need of a goalie. We could still flip AJ, Lilly and the 19th OA to STL for Parayko. What a wild offseason that would be.

No offense but no team in the top 10 especially wild who need a c is trading the 9th pick, much less Dumba for a winger in Nylander regardless of how good Nylander is

 

[Dreakmur]

I'm just saying if Dubas gets bashed for screwing up the Leafs salary cap for the Tavares signing along with the contracts for Matthews and Marner, there is nothing wrong with pointing out that Doug Armstrong looks like he had a similar mistake trading for and extending Faulk, even though he also knew Pietrangelo was soon to become a UFA. So aren't those examples that look almost the same to each other?

The same? No.

Tavares signed a decent contract. The other 3 all for too much.

Faulk is worse than all those.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's all about the specific prospect and not villanizing player types... No to Nick Ritchie, but yes to Tom Wilson.

Speaking of "villianizing player types", you said we had to skip a guy with "the next Patrick Kane" label. Everybody should take a Patrick Kane over a Tom Wilson any day, so I can only assume you mean his player type? How is that different?

When you are drafting those big players, you don't know if they will be a Wilson or a Ritchie or a Biggs. These players are tough to project, because many of them have to completely change their games as they move into higher leagues and lose the main advantage they had - significant size over their peers. The result is usually a Biggs, and even when they're a Wilson, you're still spending a 16th overall to get a bottom of the lineup player for most of his cheap/controllable years.

No. If St. Louis thinks Pietrangelo is the best option to keep, why would we take Parayko off their hands for a premium when we can just go hard after Pietrangelo ourselves and then keep our prospects and picks? Seems like the Blues would be motivated sellers.

Because St Louis can just trade him somewhere else, and then we don't get Parayko or Pietrangelo... Also Parayko makes less than Pietrangelo would. It's not really "taking Parayko off their hands" so much as it would be trading for a great player at a great cap hit that fits our needs perfectly because St Louis' specific cap situation in this league-wide cap environment forced a player like that onto the market.

 

[LeafsNation75]

The same? No.

Tavares signed a decent contract. The other 3 all for too much.

Faulk is worse than all those.

Between Matthews, Marner, and Nylander I think it's fair to say that Nylander's $6.96 million AAV is looking like a better contract compared to when he originally signed it. He already had 31 goals in 68 games played this past season.

While we wish Matthews would have re-signed for 8 years, it's not like he didn't play horrible because he still had 47 goals, 80 points in 70 games.

The only one who is truly overpaid is Mitch Marner because he should be making something like $9.5 million instead $10.893 million.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Dubas' philosophy is sign the big ticket guys and pay the support peanuts.

This supports the theory of trading Johnsson and Kerfoot and signing Pietrangelo.

It's not a bad approach. We'll see what happens.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I’d like to get Josh Manson from Ana but I don’t want to give up the 15th pick.

 

[stickty111]

Dubas' philosophy is sign the big ticket guys and pay the support peanuts.

This supports the theory of trading Johnsson and Kerfoot and signing Pietrangelo.

It's not a bad approach. We'll see what happens.

If you were to look at what Dubas is looking to do. It would be in no order

Upgrade the defence
Reshape the bottom 6
New goalie

With the Kappy deal, we have about 7 million in space. If you were to trade Andersen for futures as rumored, thats another 5 million. Thats 12 million to do those 3 things and resign Dermott and Mikheyev. If Dubas is looking into Petra, there is no way he can do all that with 12 million. In this scenario, Kerfoot you think is going. If he goes, thats now about 15-16 million to work out. I still believe Dermott will be moved, so more flexibility that way as well. If Petra comes in at say 8.5, thats now still about 7-8 million to sign Mikheyev and get a goalie plus bottom 6. That still seems tough. Should be inreresting.

 

[Legion34]

Between Matthews, Marner, and Nylander I think it's fair to say that Nylander's $6.96 million AAV is looking like a better contract compared to when he originally signed it. He already had 31 goals in 68 games played this past season.

While we wish Matthews would have re-signed for 8 years, it's not like he didn't play horrible because he still had 47 goals, 80 points in 70 games.

The only one who is truly overpaid is Mitch Marner because he should be making something like $9.5 million instead $10.893 million.

the funny thing is. The 5 year term is actually potentially a Huge advantage for the leafs in re signing matthews.

Matthews can re sign now in 3 years. The cap is gauranteed to be flat for 2 and move up slowly for the years following that.

teams will be broke for at least a couple of years. Arizona will be a disaster with no picks and prospects.

in 3 years Matthews will be looking to re sign with a flat cap, in the middle of a recovery. Watching a crazy ufa market where players get squeezed The leafs can afford full Sb.

the odds of him signing a massive jump in AAV in 3 years or jumping ship to questionable markets are pretty low.

we might get him in 3 years to sign for 8 at less than expected

 

[cj19]

Trades

Johnsson to NJ M. Woods

15th pick overall & Dermott to Ducks Manson & Jones

kerfoot to Sens for their 3rd round pick

Nylander to Wild Dumba
Holl

Sign J Thornton

Hyman Matthews Mikheyev
Robertson JT Marner
Jones Thornton Woods
Cifford Speeza Engvall

Rielly Dumba
Muzzin Manson
Sandin Liljergen

 

[dubplatepressure]

No. If St. Louis thinks Pietrangelo is the best option to keep, why would we take Parayko off their hands for a premium when we can just go hard after Pietrangelo ourselves and then keep our prospects and picks? Seems like the Blues would be motivated sellers.

Because he would never hit free agency... We wouldn't have a chance. That's their incentive to sell Parayko, either to us or others.

 

[dubplatepressure]

No offense but no team in the top 10 especially wild who need a c is trading the 9th pick, much less Dumba for a winger in Nylander regardless of how good Nylander is

None taken - just friendly chatter.

I'm going based on their fanbase's openness to trade that 9th OA pick. Their hope is that Nylander could shift to the middle, which he clearly could.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Trades

Johnsson to NJ M. Woods

15th pick overall & Dermott to Ducks Manson & Jones

kerfoot to Sens for their 3rd round pick

Nylander to Wild Dumba
Holl

Sign J Thornton

Hyman Matthews Mikheyev
Robertson JT Marner
Jones Thornton Woods
Cifford Speeza Engvall

Rielly Dumba
Muzzin Manson
Sandin Liljergen

Those are pretty bad. Kerfoot for a 3rd? Nylander for Dumba alone? Blech. AJ for Woods is close IMO.

 

[realgoodleafs]

Kessel was regarded by many as one of the softest, laziest players in the entire league before he won the cups. People called him allergic to contact and mocked him for his lack of toughness.

This is just another example of players getting different perceptions after success, even when absolutely nothing has changed.

Kessel beat the piss out of a guy in a fight and I always knew he'd make a difference in the playoffs. He knew he had to score.

 

[shortfuze]

To make things a bit worse, who did Anaheim select in round 6 that year (with the Leafs pick) ?

And Demelo went even later that round.

Wow. That was quite the hall for Anaheim that year. Most people only talk about Gibson and Rakell.

 

[Brobust]

Trades

Johnsson to NJ M. Woods

15th pick overall & Dermott to Ducks Manson & Jones

kerfoot to Sens for their 3rd round pick

Nylander to Wild Dumba
Holl

Sign J Thornton

Hyman Matthews Mikheyev
Robertson JT Marner
Jones Thornton Woods
Cifford Speeza Engvall

Rielly Dumba
Muzzin Manson
Sandin Liljergen

This is a disaster scenario.

Dumba is Barrie redux. I get a little afraid every time I hear him mentioned in relation to the leafs.