Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Alex1234]

Yes, Werenski scores about 15 goals per 82 whereas Chabot scores about 12.

"Produce" typically refers to points, though, and they are both 50pt per 82 game DMen. Nice to see you starting bringing facts into your arguments though.

Im not the one who said score you did
Werenski has 302 points in 486 NHL games (0,6213 points per game) (50,94 points per 82 games)
Chabot has 259 points in 432 NHL games (0,5995 points per game) (49,159 points per 82 games
They don't score and they don't produce at literally the same pace
But you are almost there in the facts department
Don't quit

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Im not the one who said score you did
Werenski has 302 points in 486 NHL games (0,6213 points per game) (50,94 points per 82 games)
Chabot has 259 points in 432 NHL games (0,5995 points per game) (49,159 point5s per 82 games
They don't score and they don't produce at literally the same pace
But you are almost there in the facts department
Don't quit

Haha ok buddy. They don't produce at literally the same pace. Sounds good.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

What do you think it would cost to move him, if it was even possible, my guess it’s not close to worth it.
Since there won’t be any buyouts.

My initial post was proposing that (if) a team would take him for future considerations, and he wasn't going to be ready for the start of the season (but not LTIRetired), would the Senators do it?

I don't think there is a team in the league that would do it, but crazier things have happened.

There are no assets they could attach to a contract like that to move it if nobody wants him. Too much term and money. It would have to be a perfect storm like Toronto dumping Clarkson because Horton was not insured and LTIRetired.

One trade that might fit that would be Karlsson for Norris. If Norris never comes back to form, well they still dumped Karlsson, who clearly is not a fit and has a similar cap. Long term, they will be in a rebuild after Crosby and Malkin retire in a few years, so the additional term is irrelevant.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The most proactive trade proposal for Norris would be future considerations.

If a team with a ton of cap flexibility and time to wait for Norris to get better like Salt Lake City offered to take the liability of the contract, would you do it?

Still potentially giving away a potential 1/2C for next to nothing. That makes our team worse.

 

[PlayOn]

The most proactive trade proposal for Norris would be future considerations.

If a team with a ton of cap flexibility and time to wait for Norris to get better like Salt Lake City offered to take the liability of the contract, would you do it?

If you then have to go and trade for players to replace him in the line-up, you’re essentially indirectly giving up assets to move Norris.

So no I wouldn’t. If we were Vegas or Florida who have players begging to play for them it might be a viable strategy. For us it’s not.

 

[JD1]

I got a wierd feeling this guy bounces back. Nothing to back this feeling up. Then we get to talk about Pinto or him on the wing. Lol. A good "problem" for once.

I agree with. The surgeon that spoke about Tarasenko's shoulder was 100% confident in the procedure and he did Norris's surgery this time around.

Question is why we didn't know about this guy before? It seems like they heard about the doctor from Tarasenko

 

[Tuna99]

Stefan Noessen for that 3rd wing slot would be perfect. Gets about 35 points a year, big, can play along the wall. FA probably looking for a multi year contract.

 

[Loach]

Stefan Noessen for that 3rd wing slot would be perfect. Gets about 35 points a year, big, can play along the wall. FA probably looking for a multi year contract.

He has done nothing his whole career. He's 31. This year and last year are the only years he's played in the NHL consistantly.

 

[Tuna99]

He has done nothing his whole career. He's 31. This year and last year are the only years he's played in the NHL consistantly.

Not true he’s played in 368 NHL games but anyways, Ottawa is going to need to find cheap effective players in the changes this summer and Noessen is one who would be welcome. Had a good playoffs last year.

 

[Loach]

159 in the last 2 years. 72 in 2017-18.

 

[BondraTime]

Noesen is exactly the type of player they need in the bottom 6

Cheap, effective, and plays the game the right way.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

159 in the last 2 years. 72 in 2017-18.

We have four guys (Stu, Brady, G, Bath) who have scored more points for us over these last two years than Noesen has posted. And he isn't valued for his offence.

 

[Loach]

We have four guys (Stu, Brady, G, Bath) who have scored more points for us over these last two years than Noesen has posted. And he isn't valued for his offence.

What is this post?

Noesen is exactly the type of player they need in the bottom 6

Cheap, effective, and plays the game the right way.

He found his roll at 30 with one of the best teams in the league. Do you think he can do that for the next 3-4 years on a team finding it's way?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

What is this post?

I'll make it more simple for you (its already really really simple).

Noesen had 73 points in the last two seasons. We (the Ottawa Senators hockey team) have had four players post more than 73 points for us in the last two seasons.

Furthermore, Noesen is not known for his offensive ability - he is known for his all-around play. The fact that he has also been consistent and solid offensively is a plus.

Get it?

 

[Loach]

I'll make it more simple for you (its already really really simple).

Noesen had 73 points in the last two seasons. We (the Ottawa Senators hockey team) have had four players post more than 73 points for us in the last two seasons.

Furthermore, Noesen is not known for his offensive ability - he is known for his all-around play. The fact that he has also been consistent and solid offensively is a plus.

Get it?

Cool. We were talking about games played. Not points.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Cool. We were talking about games played. Not points.

Ok... he's played almost every game over these last two years for one of the best teams in the league and has both scored and played an all-around game.

That's a lot more relevant than what type of player he was 5 or 6 years ago.

 

[Loach]

Ok... he's played almost every game over these last two years for one of the best teams in the league and has both scored and played an all-around game.

That's a lot more relevant than what type of player he was 5 or 6 years ago.

Read post 7463

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Read post 7463

Watch him play. There's nothing to suggest he won't continue to be a good all-around bottom 6er. He is big and strong, physically punishing, fights when needed, goes to all the right areas, strong along the boards, plays a responsible and smart game and has some skill. Getting to the front of the net and not letting anyone move you is a pretty transferable skill and thats where all his offence comes from. Tip-ins, tap ins & low slot shots, the type of goals we struggle to score outside of Brady. He can genuinely improve a PP2, a PK1/2, and a bottom 6 line.

 

[Loach]

Watch him play. There's nothing to suggest he won't continue to be a good all-around bottom 6er. He is big and strong, physically punishing, fights when needed, goes to all the right areas, strong along the boards, plays a responsible and smart game and has some skill. Getting to the front of the net and not letting anyone move you is a pretty transferable skill and thats where all his offence comes from. Tip-ins, tap ins & low slot shots, the type of goals we struggle to score outside of Brady. He can genuinely improve a PP2, a PK1/2, and a bottom 6 line.

So your answer is Yes. He can keep playing the way he is now, in Carolina, for the next 3-4 years in Ottawa. He'll be 31-34 years old.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

So your answer is Yes. He can keep playing the way he is now, in Carolina, for the next 3-4 years in Ottawa. He'll be 31-34 years old.

I think he can be a solid contributor for at least a couple more years, sure

Obviously the money & the years need to make sense.

 

[Loach]

I think he can be a solid contributor for at least a couple more years, sure

Ok. Let's use that. He can play 3rd line, pk and put 25-35 pts. He makes 762500 this year. Pretty easy for Carolina to keep him. What would it take in $/term to get him to sign here, if he would. At 31 he might never be closer to a cup then staying there. If people are good with him, Joseph-Greig-Noesen 3rd line?

 

[BondraTime]

What is this post?


He found his roll at 30 with one of the best teams in the league. Do you think he can do that for the next 3-4 years on a team finding it's way?

Not sure why he wouldn’t.

Injuries derailed his early career, if it wasn’t for 3 knee injuries, an achilles injury and a shoulder injury he’d have another 300+ games played.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Ok. Let's use that. He can play 3rd line, pk and put 25-35 pts. He makes 762500 this year. Pretty easy for Carolina to keep him. What would it take in $/term to get him to sign here, if he would. At 31 he might never be closer to a cup then staying there. If people are good with him, Joseph-Greig-Noesen 3rd line?

I dont think he's a super realistic target but thats a whole other story

 

[Loach]

Not sure why he wouldn’t.

Injuries derailed his early career, if it wasn’t for 3 knee injuries, an achilles injury and a shoulder injury he’d have another 300+ games played.

His knees are good now? So not alot of game mileage on him?

 

[Loach]

I dont think he's a super realistic target but thats a whole other story

Alright. We have vetted him. Put him on the list of guys to look in to for Steve. Who's next? We have work to do to fix this team. Lol.