Franson - Is it Sustainable????

[p.l.f.]

His numbers do look good don't they, now that he gets to play with the core
his market value has to be going up now, this can't be ignored

18 - 3 - 11 - 14 - +5

 

[Duffman955]

No big defensive gaffs.

Playing on the top pairing and putting up points. Did not expect this from Franson.

 

[HellasLEAF]

very impressive tonight. many key defensive plays with the stick and good positioning.

has he turned a corner?

 

[indigobuffalo]

and same can be said about yours. You do realize after breaking a bone you loose a lot of mobility regardless of what bone you break?? You do realize Gunnarsson has played 91% of all games over the last 3 seasons?? so much for it being constant. I've actually watched the game and he's been more than good for sure. But keep bashing bashing bashing that's all you seem to be doing right now. I never even said that I don't like Polak but simply Nonis always overpaying shows how incompetent he truly is. Sorry if that made you cry and you had to get all defensive

Gunnarsson was terrible for the Leafs the last three seasons but everyone kept blaming Phaneuf over and over again. Polka has been way better than Gunnarsson was post hip-injury.

 

[indigobuffalo]

No big defensive gaffs.

Playing on the top pairing and putting up points. Did not expect this from Franson.

His dCorsi% predicted this is exactly what would have happened.

Read the article Making a Case for Cody Franson.

 

[p.l.f.]

19 3 11 14 + 8
Glossy stats just keep getting better

 

[Mystifo]

We seen him doing this during the half season (3rd pairing mins though.) If he can sustain this kind of production and play throughout the year then I would have more faith in him. That being said I want to see how Franson plays into January and so.

 

[Maplebeasts]

19 3 11 14 + 8
Glossy stats just keep getting better

Franson for allstar game?

 

[Hunter74]

So is he worth the raise? What does he want and who are the co parables. He doesn't want Phaneuf money and term does he?

 

[4evaBlue]

So is he worth the raise? What does he want and who are the co parables. He doesn't want Phaneuf money and term does he?

He's worth the raise, IMO, but will likely be moved, which is unfortunate. He'll be one of the players who'll constantly burn us every time he plays against us. I am somewhat concerned when thinking about potential comparables. I'm guessing anywhere from T.J. Brodie (~4.5M) to Mike Green (~6M) is fair game.

If push came to shove, I'd keep him over Phaneuf. Bigger frame with longer reach (which he uses well), smarter and quicker with the puck, and his shot/pass selection is usually solid. Foot speed and the willingness to fight are the only things Phaneuf has on Franson.

 

[thewave]

He's worth the raise, IMO, but will likely be moved, which is unfortunate. He'll be one of the players who'll constantly burn us every time he plays against us. I am somewhat concerned when thinking about potential comparables. I'm guessing anywhere from T.J. Brodie (~4.5M) to Mike Green (~6M) is fair game.

If push came to shove, I'd keep him over Phaneuf. Bigger frame with longer reach (which he uses well), smarter and quicker with the puck, and his shot/pass selection is usually solid. Foot speed and the willingness to fight are the only things Phaneuf has on Franson.

I would keep Cody as well if it made sense $$$$ not sure what he I asking though.

 

[Suntouchable13]

No way he is worth top pairing money. I don't want him back at top pairing money. You have to pay him by what he is, a second pairing d at best who's a pp specialist. We can't keep overpaying guys.

 

[Hockey Talker29]

So is he worth the raise? What does he want and who are the co parables. He doesn't want Phaneuf money and term does he?

If he wants anything longer than 3 years, I wouldn't pay a dime over $4m.

He's already terribly slow. I wouldn't invest long-term in someone with his skating ability.

Trade him and reap the rewards. It's a no-brainer.

 

[CerebralDevil]

I'm glad some people realize he isn't worth top D pair $$$$ and see that he is way to slow back skating. Good player and he has progressed but very inconsistent and tends to force passes. I would trade him while his value is high and get the pieces needed in return.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

My opinion of him is definitely turning the corner but I'm still worried to heck about giving him term and dollars because it could very well handicap us in the future as well. While I haven't been impressed with his game more often than impressed during his entire tenure in Toronto he has always seemed like a good guy to have in the locker-room based off of the pre- and post-game interviews he gives (seems like he always makes himself available too). Like 4evaBlue, I'd take him over Phaneuf as well as I've never been a fan of Phaneuf's game--and I don't like the idea of having two poor skaters eating up 12M+ on the defence and playing together on the top pairing.

 

[4evaBlue]

It really depends on which way the management decides to deal with Kessel. It will be obvious to them by TDL (if it isn't already), that Kessel will always need a defensive anchor around him, and that anchor is likely to drag the offense of the line down (Bozak, Komarov, Winnik, Panik, etc).

If they decide to part ways with Kessel for a king's ransom, then anyone and everyone is fair game (minus Bernier, Rielly from the current roster). Lupul, Gardiner, Phaneuf, JVR, Bozak, Kadri and Komarov. Basically, anyone who you can get a reasonable return for (pref 1st rounders). Even in that circumstance, I think Franson could be a valuable character guy, well-spoken, by all indication wants to stay on his childhood's favorite team, and could be just the type of leader a young core of players acquired during a retool need.

In either case, I'd like to see him signed at around 5 x $5M, but would grudgingly accept 6 x $5.5M. In a few seasons, that'll be the going rate for 2nd pairing D, which is pretty much Franson at his absolute worst, with the whole PP specialist thing tossed in, as well.

 

[Suntouchable13]

It really depends on which way the management decides to deal with Kessel. It will be obvious to them by TDL (if it isn't already), that Kessel will always need a defensive anchor around him, and that anchor is likely to drag the offense of the line down (Bozak, Komarov, Winnik, Panik, etc).

If they decide to part ways with Kessel for a king's ransom, then anyone and everyone is fair game (minus Bernier, Rielly from the current roster). Lupul, Gardiner, Phaneuf, JVR, Bozak, Kadri and Komarov. Basically, anyone who you can get a reasonable return for (pref 1st rounders). Even in that circumstance, I think Franson could be a valuable character guy, well-spoken, by all indication wants to stay on his childhood's favorite team, and could be just the type of leader a young core of players acquired during a retool need.

In either case, I'd like to see him signed at around 5 x $5M, but would grudgingly accept 6 x $5.5M. In a few seasons, that'll be the going rate for 2nd pairing D, which is pretty much Franson at his absolute worst, with the whole PP specialist thing tossed in, as well.

I want nothing to do with him at that money. Haven't we learned anything from the past few years?? You're dreaming if you think that he is a second pairing, AT WORST. He is a second pairing D, AT BEST! But that's exactly what a stupid team like the Toronto Maple Leafs will do. Re-sign this guy to a 6 year 5.5M contract. Let's keep overpaying guys, and let's keep a failing team together, that has worked so well for us so far!

 

[jasonleaffan]

Article on Sportsnet say he balked at a 4.6 per year. If that is the case I say trade him before the deadline.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Article on Sportsnet say he balked at a 4.6 per year. If that is the case I say trade him before the deadline.

I woulda laughed in Nonis' face if I were Franson's agent. 4.6 is a HUGE smack in the face when you compare his numbers to others. He has lead the Leafs dmen in scoring the past 3 seasons. If Leafs wanna pay Gardiner 4.05 mill a year, I would demand a heck of alot more than him if I was Fransons agent. Franson and agent should be estatic that a player like Gardiner is getting that type of money. I did a comparison for another thread and here is a look at this years stats so far...

Franson 27 years old- 49gp. 6g. 23a. 29pts. -7. 26pims. 80sog. 140hits. 96blocks. 21:15toi. 3:11pp toi. 1:59pk toi. 3.3 MILLION

Gardiner 24 years old- 48gp. 2g. 9a. 11pts. -21. 16pims. 65sog. 54hits. 52blocks. 20:08toi. 2:34pp toi. 0:34pk toi. 4.05 MILLION

Time for a HUGE raise for Franson if Leafs wanna keep him. Agents use statistics and comparisons in negotiations and by that comparison, Franson will get a very hefty raise. I wouldnt be pissed at Franson saying no to that offer, Id be pissed at Nonis for giving Gardiner a huge contract... cause now others will use that amount as an example.

 

[Mess]

Franson comparables real close to home.

2012-13
Phaneuf .. 48 games 9-19-28 points
Franson .. 45 games 4-25-29 points

2013-14
Phaneuf .. 80 games 8-23-31 points
Franson .. 79 games 5-28-33 points

2014-15
Phaneuf .. 48 games 2-20-22 points
Franson .. 49 games 6-23-29 points

Its been reported that Franson after outscoring Phaneuf for the 3rd consecutive year is now looking for a contract in the Phaneuf range.

Franson's agent to Nonis "Show me the money". He knows full well there will be teams lining up with UFA offers this summer for a 6-4 RH shooting PP capable Dman that puts up points.

 

[thewave]

Franson comparables real close to home.

2012-13
Phaneuf .. 48 games 9-19-28 points
Franson .. 45 games 4-25-29 points

2013-14
Phaneuf .. 80 games 8-23-31 points
Franson .. 79 games 5-28-33 points

2014-15
Phaneuf .. 48 games 2-20-22 points
Franson .. 49 games 6-23-29 points

Its been reported that Franson after outscoring Phaneuf for the 3rd consecutive year is now looking for a contract in the Phaneuf range.

Franson's agent to Nonis "Show me the money". He knows full well there will be teams lining up with UFA offers this summer for a 6-4 RH shooting PP capable Dman that puts up points.

Dion range? 7m? No I don't think they are that dumb to target that money. If they are I am sure he is in for a rude awakening.

I can see him fetching in the 5 range and we should offer that at least to the guy. 4.6 as reported was just a joke offer kind of like them saying Kadri is worth closer to Bozak money.

If they could get them both at around 5.25m max each and trade Dion Kessel and move the Clarkson contract that would be a home run. Lupul to (unless the return is garbage then just leave him to mentor)

Rielly should get a JVR type of deal ASAP 3x7? Can't remember how this contract works.

 

[Al14]

Franson comparables real close to home.

2012-13
Phaneuf .. 48 games 9-19-28 points
Franson .. 45 games 4-25-29 points

2013-14
Phaneuf .. 80 games 8-23-31 points i
Franson .. 79 games 5-28-33 points

2014-15
Phaneuf .. 48 games 2-20-22 points
Franson .. 49 games 6-23-29 points

Its been reported that Franson after outscoring Phaneuf for the 3rd consecutive year is now looking for a contract in the Phaneuf range.

Franson's agent to Nonis "Show me the money". He knows full well there will be teams lining up with UFA offers this summer for a 6-4 RH shooting PP capable Dman that puts up points.

If Franson wants anywhere near Phaneuf money, then, I trade him A.S.A.P. Let him be someone else's Cap anchor! He doesn't have the foot speed to get a 1st pairing D money IMHO!

Phaneuf's money was a mistake, originally made by Calgary, let's not repeat their mistake with Franson!

 

[thewave]

If Franson wants anywhere near Phaneuf money, then, I trade him A.S.A.P. Let him be someone else's Cap anchor! He doesn't have the foot speed to get a 1st pairing D money!

Phaneuf's money was a mistake, originally made by Calgary, let's not repeat their mistake with Franson!

Nobody is going to pony up 7x7 for this guy.

 

[Mess]

Dion range? 7m? No I don't think they are that dumb to target that money. If they are I am sure he is in for a rude awakening.

I can see him fetching in the 5 range and we should offer that at least to the guy. 4.6 as reported was just a joke offer kind of like them saying Kadri is worth closer to Bozak money.

If they could get them both at around 5.25m max each and trade Dion Kessel and move the Clarkson contract that woul be a home run.

Matt Niskanen got $5.75 mil on 7 years as a UFA and Franson has better stats and didn't play with Crosby/Malkin either to put up points.

So Franson at +$6 mil X 7 years as a UFA might be their target asking price.

PS. Bolland's agent used the Clarkson contract to get his client $5.5 mil after they turned down $5 mil from the Leafs.

Phaneuf and Clarkson internal contracts do set precedence on Leafs willingness to freely spend $$.

 

[thewave]

Matt Niskanen got $5.75 mil on 7 years as a UFA and Franson has better stats and didn't play with Crosby/Malkin either to put up points.

So Franson at +$6 mil X 7 years as a UFA might be their target asking price.

PS. Bolland's agent used the Clarkson contract to get his client $5.5 mil after they turned down $5 mil from the Leafs.

Phaneuf and Clarkson internal contracts do set precedence on Leafs willingness to freely spend $$.

Ya the only guy making the correct money here is Kessel. Go figure.