Proposal: Fowler, Trouba, or other

[Pia8988]

That's a very good trade! For the Jets.

40 points defenseman, 50 point winger/center, 25-30 pt defenseman, 25-30 point winger for 25 point defenseman and 35 point winger.

That adds scoring to the Bruins.

On top of that I guess we have to assume Chiarot gets waived since he isn't even in his top 8 list.

 

[PB37]

40 points defenseman, 50 point winger/center, 25-30 pt defenseman, 25-30 point winger for 25 point defenseman and 35 point winger.

That adds scoring to the Bruins.

On top of that I guess we have to assume Chiarot gets waived since he isn't even in his top 8 list.

The only part of that deal that I like is Stafford for Hayes. Solid vet, decent scoring touch, can play on the PK.


Marchand -- Bergeron -- Czarnik/Vatrano

Beleskey -- Krejci -- Pasta

Spooner -- Backes -- Stafford

A rotation of Schaeller/Acciari/Moore/Nash

 

[DominicT]

They need to drop cap, and they desperately need forward help along with Lindholm signing if they want to compete. Their bottom6 is embarrassing.

Bieksa has NMC, Stoner was waived and no one took him, Despres has bad concussion problems, he can't be traded.

That leaves 2 contracts, Vatanen who was just re-signed and Fowler.
But the lates articlest and the way Fowler has played, the way he has been played suggest they don't want to trade him, but something has to go.

I know Savard got traded.
Despres has 5 years left, he is seeing specialists, no one knows whats the situation with him+ Anaheim is desperate.
How likely is Despres trade truly at this point and what would it take to make it happen?

When you state something like the bolded in the first post you made as fact, you'll get the response you did. If you had said "in my opinion" or "he will be hard to trade" then we would have had an intelligent conversation.

The fact is, he can be traded. There is nothing that says he can't be. The question however isn't can he or can't he be traded, but whether the Ducks are willing to pay the price to trade him. There is a difference (and a huge one at that) in those two statements.

Is Despres insured? I assume that's a big factor.

Yes, it is completely insured.

The way insurance works is that the league takes out the policy as a group and each individual team is allowed to insure 8 players under that policy - typically the top 8 salaries on your team since that's where you can lose most of your money as an owner.

 

[Blowfish]

Any real rumours?

 

[don]

Both Fowler and Krug are considered offensive D-men but, IMO, Fowler is a step up. Granted a small step but still up. If we get Fowler Krug gets bumped to the 3rd pairing, IMO. Does anyone want to pay 5.35 million to a 3rd pairing player? I know I don't. The main problem with Krug + for Trouba, as I see it, is that the Jets don't want the drop off between their defensive play. If Morrow keeps playing the way he did I'm sure he'll come into this trade conversation soon.

If we get Fowler without getting Trouba, I see our D pairings as:
Chara- Carlo
Fowler- O'Gara
Krug/Morrow - McQuaid

With Trouba:
Fowler - Trouba
Chara - Carlo
Krug/Morrow - McQuaid/O'Gara * assume one of Krug/Morrow gets traded

 

[BruinDust]

Both Fowler and Krug are considered offensive D-men but, IMO, Fowler is a step up. Granted a small step but still up. If we get Fowler Krug gets bumped to the 3rd pairing, IMO. Does anyone want to pay 5.35 million to a 3rd pairing player? I know I don't. The main problem with Krug + for Trouba, as I see it, is that the Jets don't want the drop off between their defensive play. If Morrow keeps playing the way he did I'm sure he'll come into this trade conversation soon.

If we get Fowler without getting Trouba, I see our D pairings as:
Chara- Carlo
Fowler- O'Gara
Krug/Morrow - McQuaid

With Trouba:
Fowler - Trouba
Chara - Carlo
Krug/Morrow - McQuaid/O'Gara * assume one of Krug/Morrow gets traded

Well considering Krug played RD last game and appears to be doing it again tonight, I wouldn't assume a Fowler trade bumps Krug to the 3rd line.

To be honest, I think a Fowler-Krug pairing could be great. This assumption that Krug HAS to have a big-bodied physical on his opposite side is bogus.

Is it preferred? Yes.

A requirement? No.

 

[Absurdity]

Any real rumours?

http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/43090/jets-jacob-trouba-still-at-an-impasse

Pierre LeBrun is saying that the Jets had offers on the table for Trouba, but they are offers the Jets would not accept at this point. He also adds that the Ducks are receiving offers for Fowler, but LeBrun thinks he won't be traded at all as the Ducks want to keep him.

If the Bruins want to add a defenseman, it looks like to me anyways, the trade deadline will be the time to do so. As of now though, it looks like the Bruins will be staying the course with their young defensemen, and I don't think that is a bad thing at all.

 

[wintersej]

Seeing Morrow + Krug together has changed my mind on Fowler. Fowler + Krug could work. It does mean you are probably giving up on Colin as Kevan would probably push him out of the lineup when healthy...

 

[Lord Ahriman]

Seeing Morrow + Krug together has changed my mind on Fowler. Fowler + Krug could work. It does mean you are probably giving up on Colin as Kevan would probably push him out of the lineup when healthy...

Not sure about that. C.Miller has played a lot better than past season and his pmd skills are a big need, imo.

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/43090/jets-jacob-trouba-still-at-an-impasse

Pierre LeBrun is saying that the Jets had offers on the table for Trouba, but they are offers the Jets would not accept at this point. He also adds that the Ducks are receiving offers for Fowler, but LeBrun thinks he won't be traded at all as the Ducks want to keep him.

If the Bruins want to add a defenseman, it looks like to me anyways, the trade deadline will be the time to do so. As of now though, it looks like the Bruins will be staying the course with their young defensemen, and I don't think that is a bad thing at all.

It's pretty clear that they are not getting a favorable deal (as of now), otherwise they would have pulled the trigger well before the season started. They didn't have much leverege in the off-season...that may change if the D performs well and the situations in Anaheim and Winnipeg get worse.

Maybe it's actually a blessing that they didn't get Shattenkirk/Trouba/Fowler yet, a #1 might become available and then they gotta be the frontrunners. Dare I say PK Subban

 

[DKH]

Both probably cost us a little bit more than your proposals but this is one of the few suggestions that actually make sense to trade Krug. Team would be immediate favorites to win it all. I love Krug but with how good Chara and Carlo look I think its OK to move him if the end result is the Bruins having maybe the best blueline in the league. But I would only want to move him for Trouba if we got Fowler as well. I would trade Krug+ for Lindholm and not think twice.

Krug was pretty good the other night. I'd be stunned is he's traded; he's a Sweeney guy and a leader as well

I don't see any urgency- also

1. Shake out C Miller & Morrow over the next 35 games and make an educated decision based on real data and observation

2. Decide which one of K Miller or Mcquaid is their preference

3. See how Ogara Grzelcyk and others look to help the big club. Ogara looks like a long term solution but any AHL hockey will help

 

[DKH]

Any real rumours?

I'd say all very quiet

 

[FONZIE]

I'm liking Dom's thinking in offer sheeting lindholm for the max and give the 4 first rounders if Ana doesn't match. We could draft 4 defensemen in the next 4 first rounds and still don't land a top pairing guy. That would instantly get us back in the running.

 

[BB88]

When you state something like the bolded in the first post you made as fact, you'll get the response you did. If you had said "in my opinion" or "he will be hard to trade" then we would have had an intelligent conversation.

The fact is, he can be traded. There is nothing that says he can't be. The question however isn't can he or can't he be traded, but whether the Ducks are willing to pay the price to trade him. There is a difference (and a huge one at that) in those two statements.



Yes, it is completely insured.

The way insurance works is that the league takes out the policy as a group and each individual team is allowed to insure 8 players under that policy - typically the top 8 salaries on your team since that's where you can lose most of your money as an owner.

No one know what's the situation with him and his 5 year contract just started. But okay let's create trades around him because its so likely.
Despres+ Lindholm for 2nd round pick?

-How many teams in the league would like to trade for Despres today?
-How many teams in the league would like to trade for Despres while sending pretty much zero cap back today?
-How many of those teams could trade for Despres today while sending only ELC level contract back today?
-How likely is it that Murray would be fine with paying that price?

5 year contract with a 3.7M cap hit on a player who's fighting with bad concussion problems, started the season but can't play right now. His game has looked bad for some time.
No one wants to trade for that in the 1st place, then add Anaheim needs cap help desperately. I'll be damm surprised if Despres gets moved.


I'd rather just keep thinking about Fowler or Vatanen.

 

[wintersej]

Not sure about that. C.Miller has played a lot better than past season and his pmd skills are a big need, imo.

I appreciate the PMD arguement from both a watch the game and analytics point of view, but Fowler, Krug, Liles, Colin as your bottom four seems a bit light IMHO.