Confirmed with Link: Forsling Accepts Qualifying Offer

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Given Fleury's 1-way deal, I think it's pretty clear that unless Forsling tears up camp, the battle will be between Bean and Fleury for #6. Forsling feels like the default # 7.

And I agree that they won't keep Bean in Raleigh to be the #7. He needs to continue to play big minutes if he's not in the NHL.

I don't feel like this logically follows. Are you saying if Bean wins #6 over Fleury we are waiving Fleury over Forsling?

I think it's more likely that Fleury is on the roster all year and Forsling has the edge over Bean to start. Bean will have to force his way onto the roster in order to make it, as Forsling is a better 7.


I think it should be rephrased "unless Bean tears up camp, the battle will be between Forsling and Fleury for #6. The loser of that battle feels like the default #7."

 

[NotOpie]

I don't feel like this logically follows. Are you saying if Bean wins #6 over Fleury we are waiving Fleury over Forsling?

I think it's more likely that Fleury is on the roster all year and Forsling has the edge over Bean to start. Bean will have to force his way onto the roster in order to make it, as Forsling is a better 7.


I think it should be rephrased "unless Bean tears up camp, the battle will be between Forsling and Fleury for #6. The loser of that battle feels like the default #7."

Yeah, maybe I wasn't clear....I feel that Forsling is either the #7 or waiver wire fodder. Bean's not spending games in the press box. Fleury certainly could, but I'm guessing he wins out over Forsling....Bean, on the other hand, could force both to be on the outside looking in. I just thing the team would rather lose Forsling to waivers than Fleury.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Yeah, maybe I wasn't clear....I feel that Forsling is either the #7 or waiver wire fodder. Bean's not spending games in the press box. Fleury certainly could, but I'm guessing he wins out over Forsling....Bean, on the other hand, could force both to be on the outside looking in. I just thing the team would rather lose Forsling to waivers than Fleury.

I would agree with you, I just think that the biggest loser here is Bean. I think whereas before he might been a 6 and Fleury a 7 if he barely edged out Fleury, now he has to seriously knock training camp out of the park to even get a roster spot (since Bean having a roster spot means waiving one of Fleury or Forsling). I agree we'd prefer to waive Forsling.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

The good thing is we know that Fleury should be fine as the #6. Forsling should be fine as the #7. So if Bean or Forsling supplants Fleury for the #6 spot then that means they played great in camp which means the team is better for it.

As others have mentioned, it makes no sense for Bean to be a #7 on the Canes. He needs to play, so it's either as the #6 or back to the AHL to log heavy minutes and continue improving. If TVR isn't ready to start the year then what happens? Fleury, Bean, and Forsling are all LHD so that kind of forces Pesce to move over to RHD on the 3rd pairing and one of the young guys plays with Faulk on the 2nd pair.

This would be the roster depth correct?

Slavin - Hamilton
Pesce (R/L) - Faulk
Fleury - TVR
Bean - McKeown
Forsling

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I would agree with you, I just think that the biggest loser here is Bean. I think whereas before he might been a 6 and Fleury a 7 if he barely edged out Fleury, now he has to seriously knock training camp out of the park to even get a roster spot (since Bean having a roster spot means waiving one of Fleury or Forsling). I agree we'd prefer to waive Forsling.

I wonder if he really does though. I just get the impression that this management group is going to play the guys that will help them win. If Bean is better than Fleury/Forsling and brings something they don't, even without knocking it out of the park, I'm just not so sure the team will lose any sleep putting Forsling on waivers and giving Bean a spot. This management team has shown that they aren't afraid to make decisions which on the surface look like bad asset management to make the team better. If it's close between them then sure, it makes sense to put Bean in the AHL.

The other thing I have no feel for is how "ready" they think Bean is. If they feel he needs more development and want him to spend another year ripening in the AHL, working on his game, then you are correct, he would have to knock it out of the park.

Going to be fun to follow during camp.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I wonder if he really does though. I just get the impression that this management group is going to play the guys that will help them win. If Bean is better than Fleury/Forsling and brings something they don't, even without knocking it out of the park, I'm just not so sure the team will lose any sleep putting Forsling on waivers and giving Bean a spot. This management team has shown that they aren't afraid to make decisions which on the surface look like bad asset management to make the team better. If it's close between them then sure, it makes sense to put Bean in the AHL.

The other thing I have no feel for is how "ready" they think Bean is. If they feel he needs more development and want him to spend another year ripening in the AHL, working on his game, then you are correct, he would have to knock it out of the park.

Going to be fun to follow during camp.

Yeah that's fair, especially if Forsling just isn't good. I think tiebreaker goes to the guys that would need waivers, however.

 

[tarheelhockey]

But wait. If Slavin gets to play with Pesce, but Hamilton only gets to play with Slavin, then what happens to Hamilton when Pesce plays with Slavin?

At that point Hamilton will cease to exist in this timeline, radically altering the fabric of space and time as we know it.

Ottawa Senators 2020 champs

 

[MinJaBen]

The good thing is we know that Fleury should be fine as the #6. Forsling should be fine as the #7. So if Bean or Forsling supplants Fleury for the #6 spot then that means they played great in camp which means the team is better for it.

As others have mentioned, it makes no sense for Bean to be a #7 on the Canes. He needs to play, so it's either as the #6 or back to the AHL to log heavy minutes and continue improving. If TVR isn't ready to start the year then what happens? Fleury, Bean, and Forsling are all LHD so that kind of forces Pesce to move over to RHD on the 3rd pairing and one of the young guys plays with Faulk on the 2nd pair.

This would be the roster depth correct?

Slavin - Hamilton
Pesce (R/L) - Faulk
Fleury - TVR
Bean - McKeown
Forsling

I doubt that the coaching staff will make the 2nd pair worse so that they can make the 3rd pair better. I'd bet that they try to lefties on the 3rd before they break up Pesce and Faulk and make one of them play on the 3rd. After trying that with Pesce last year, I think they will avoid that.

 

[spockBokk]

I doubt that the coaching staff will make the 2nd pair worse so that they can make the 3rd pair better. I'd bet that they try to lefties on the 3rd before they break up Pesce and Faulk and make one of them play on the 3rd. After trying that with Pesce last year, I think they will avoid that.

I think, if faced with the possibility of TVR being out longer than expected, they’d almost have to split up Pesce-Faulk, for balance. RBA will have to play the winner of the Forsling/Fleury/Bean battle royale more this year than last year by default. I think his head would explode if he had to play 2 of them together on the 3rd pair without TVR or one of Pesce/Faulk to babysit.

 

[emptyNedder]

.Bean, on the other hand, could force both to be on the outside looking in. I just thing the team would rather lose Forsling to waivers than Fleury.

This is my hope. Bean is capable defensively and seizes a power play role. Then Fleury becomes 7th. Of course, one of Fleury or Forsling might be capable on their off-side until TVR returns which would mean McKeown remains in Charlotte.

I doubt that the coaching staff will make the 2nd pair worse so that they can make the 3rd pair better.

The 1st pair—after Hamilton's struggles in the playoffs (and the great run by Pesce/Faulk in February and March), I would be amazed if Pesce/Faulk aren't the top matchup pair. If Slavin stays on the power play he will still get the most ice time.

 

[spockBokk]

I wonder if he really does though. I just get the impression that this management group is going to play the guys that will help them win. If Bean is better than Fleury/Forsling and brings something they don't, even without knocking it out of the park, I'm just not so sure the team will lose any sleep putting Forsling on waivers and giving Bean a spot. This management team has shown that they aren't afraid to make decisions which on the surface look like bad asset management to make the team better. If it's close between them then sure, it makes sense to put Bean in the AHL.

The other thing I have no feel for is how "ready" they think Bean is. If they feel he needs more development and want him to spend another year ripening in the AHL, working on his game, then you are correct, he would have to knock it out of the park.

Going to be fun to follow during camp.

Just wanted to put this out there...

I don’t think they’d be so quick to waive Forsling and potentially lose him for nothing. I don’t think he’d make it to CLT before being claimed, same thing with Fleury and maybe Mckeown, if he gets re-signed.

I agree that they’ll allow the best fit for the 3rd pair to stick, based on camp results, but before they lose an asset for nothing, I would imagine they’d try their best for at least some sort of draft pick. With the way, they are valuing every single pick, I don’t think they’d risk losing an opportunity to add another by placing a young guy like Forsling on the waiver wire before exploring all opportunities.

You’re very right in that the competition for the 3rd pair open spot should be very fun to watch.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Just wanted to put this out there...

I don’t think they’d be so quick to waive Forsling and potentially lose him for nothing. I don’t think he’d make it to CLT before being claimed, same thing with Fleury and maybe Mckeown, if he gets re-signed.

I agree that they’ll allow the best fit for the 3rd pair to stick, based on camp results, but before they lose an asset for nothing, I would imagine they’d try their best for at least some sort of draft pick. With the way, they are valuing every single pick, I don’t think they’d risk losing an opportunity to add another by placing a young guy like Forsling on the waiver wire before exploring all opportunities.

You’re very right in that the competition for the 3rd pair open spot should be very fun to watch.

Yeah, they'd certainly try to trade a guy before waiving. I just don't think they'd have much heartburn if they did lose him via waivers. I could be wrong on that though.

 

[vorbis]

so just to confirm because I thought differently, Forsling will have to pass through waivers to go to the AHL, even though his contract is a 2-way?

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

so just to confirm because I thought differently, Forsling will have to pass through waivers to go to the AHL, even though his contract is a 2-way?

I don’t know about Forsling specifically, but two way contracts have nothing to do with waiver eligibility. Two way just means the player gets paid differently at the NHL and AHL levels.

 

[Lempo]

so just to confirm because I thought differently, Forsling will have to pass through waivers to go to the AHL, even though his contract is a 2-way?

Yes. He signed at 20, which means he was waivers exempt for 3 years which are up now. Two-way contract means only that there is also a lower AHL salary agreed on the contract that's paid if he's sent there. One-way contract guys have only the NHL salary and they get paid it wherever they play.

As a rule of thumb, skaters on ELC are waivers exempt (unless they play enough NHL games to lose the exemption), goalies are exempt a year longer (until 23).

 

[NotOpie]

Given that Forsling has over 120 NHL games and Fleury has over 80 NHL games, I'm not so sure the concept of baby sitting is required any more. I expect Rod to manage ice time and zone time until they completely earn his trust, but by now we should expect these guys not to be star struck and, at a minimum, solid.

This is my hope. Bean is capable defensively and seizes a power play role. Then Fleury becomes 7th. Of course, one of Fleury or Forsling might be capable on their off-side until TVR returns which would mean McKeown remains in Charlotte.

The guy who would likely play his off side is Bean. He did so in juniors and I believe he even did so a number of games in Charlotte.

In the end, I believe that TVR is going to be out until November. If that's the case then we're going to have youngsters manning the bottom pairing. To me McKeown is the wildcard. He may not even make it out of training camp without getting snagged off of waivers if he's sent down.

 

[AD Skinner]

I dont really have much in the way of stats to back this up but I thought McKeown looked just fine during his NHL stint... he had 3 assists and was +3 in ten games which seems solid enough. I think his hat ought to be as much in the ring for a bottom pair blspot as anyone else's

 

[SaskCanesFan]

so just to confirm because I thought differently, Forsling will have to pass through waivers to go to the AHL, even though his contract is a 2-way?

EA NHL games screwed people up for years by having that wrong

I dont really have much in the way of stats to back this up but I thought McKeown looked just fine during his NHL stint... he had 3 assists and was +3 in ten games which seems solid enough. I think his hat ought to be as much in the ring for a bottom pair blspot as anyone else's

Yeah I think McKeown is flying under the radar a bit, wouldnt be surprised if he earns a spot

 

[GoCanes2015]

Might they both need to be waived when TVR returns from injury?

I would agree with you, I just think that the biggest loser here is Bean. I think whereas before he might been a 6 and Fleury a 7 if he barely edged out Fleury, now he has to seriously knock training camp out of the park to even get a roster spot (since Bean having a roster spot means waiving one of Fleury or Forsling). I agree we'd prefer to waive Forsling.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Yeah I think McKeown is flying under the radar a bit, wouldnt be surprised if he earns a spot

I would. Especially being a right shot, but mostly being very average at hockey. I will say that I'm not sure why he's not in the conversation if Forsling is in it.

Might they both need to be waived when TVR returns from injury?

This is pretty fun if we assume TvR is out for a while. That means two of Forsling, Fleury, Bean, McKeown and Sellgren *play* and three make the team out of camp.

We can only assume Hamilton, Slavin, Pesce and Faulk for Opening Night as of now, right? So, if McKeown is one of the top three of those five guys, we start with:

Slavin-Hamilton
Pesce-Faulk
Fleury-McKeown
Forsling

Bean/Sellgren are waiver-exempt, so they start in CLT.

If McKeown *isn't* one of the top three of those five in camp, it may get interesting with so many lefties:

Slavin-Hamilton
Fleury/Bean-Pesce
Bean/Fleury-Faulk
Forsling

We try to slip McKeown through waivers and cry if he gets snagged.

 

[Ole Gil]

How hard up would you have to be to grab McKeown off the waiver wire?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

How hard up would you have to be to grab McKeown off the waiver wire?

Hard up enough to take a shot at a decent young sixth or seventh defenseman on the cheap. Which would have described us for many, many years.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Same was said about Carrick a number of times though.

 

[Ole Gil]

Hard up enough to take a shot at a decent young sixth or seventh defenseman on the cheap. Which would have described us for many, many years.

My disagreement, is I'd categorize him as a decent 9th defensemen.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

My disagreement, is I'd categorize him as a decent 9th defensemen.

Sure. But the difference between 7th for us and 9th for others probably isn't that great.

I'm sure we could probably go through every NHL roster and pick out a handful of d-men against whom McKeown wouldn't look obviously worse by comparison.