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Magua
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I literally cannot think of a single positive offensive contribution this entire tournament by him. Pucks died on his stick constantly, or he wasn't even in position, but he was used as a top 9 forward every dang game. Even used him as Coots's PK partner over Simmonds who was with Duchene. Coots missed a lot of chances, but he was continually creating and getting them. Killorn......besides that epic choke late in the gold medal game, you'd be hard pressed to realize he was playing at all this tournament. He blows. At least he's Tampa's leech to drain the life force out of Stamkos and Kucherov.
1865
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Konecny has impressed me so much this tournament. Shame he's going to come back here and be back under Hakstol.
Hockeypete49
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Thank God we have the 2nd pick cause my boy G looks like he may have hit the wall. Now rest up please.
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Point and O'Reilly over Giroux
No Skinner? Duchene?
O'Reilly has been hot in the tournament, so that one made sense.
I mean, they're Canada, they're not going to have bad options.
Unfortunately, I have to agree, he looks really way off. It sucks to see, sucks to admit... but it is not the same player we know.
I truly hope he proves me wrong next season... but it is hard to see something 'positive' in his game right now, and I ****ing love Giroux, I've always been his big supporter and still I am but that seems to be reality.
Jtown
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That contract is looking horrible right now. Giroux and Voracek are two guys we need to find ways to unload soon. WE have a great young nucleus and those two do not fit in with the rebuild.
Its a tam full of pp specialists with Lappy doing his best to neutralize any advantage it brings us.
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Schenn and Lee were the only players to average less ice time than Konecny. Alex Killorn averaged more than two minutes more per game than Konecny.
deadhead
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Giroux and Voracek show why you never give a big contract that extends past age 32, the aging curve doesn't lie, Giroux may be aging a little faster than average, Voracek a little slower - though to be fair, when the contracts were granted, the cap was expected to rise faster than it has, which means the out years were thought to be 20-30% less expensive relative to the cap.
I think this is why Hextall is putting so much stress on accumulating draft picks, if players peak at age 26, then you want lots of players in their early 20s in your talent pipeline.
On the other hand, while I love Konecny's potential, this kind of tournament plays to his strengths (speed/skills) and disguises his weaknesses (size, stamina to play 80-100 games at a high level). I think he's still two years away and needs to be sheltered to some extent next year. As he fills out his ice time should gradually increase. You don't want to beat a potential 60-70 point forward into the ground in his second season.
I think this is why Hextall is putting so much stress on accumulating draft picks, if players peak at age 26, then you want lots of players in their early 20s in your talent pipeline.
On the other hand, while I love Konecny's potential, this kind of tournament plays to his strengths (speed/skills) and disguises his weaknesses (size, stamina to play 80-100 games at a high level). I think he's still two years away and needs to be sheltered to some extent next year. As he fills out his ice time should gradually increase. You don't want to beat a potential 60-70 point forward into the ground in his second season.
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Captain Dave Poulin
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That's great if you are living in Fairiemakebelieveland. It would be awesome if you could actually do that. The problem is that there is another side in these negotiations and you have to compromise. I am confident in guessing that you don't play Eastside Hockey Manager, but your plan works like a charm in that videogame. There is no PR, no backlash from fans, no human element - just a bunch of data on a page. In real life, you can't change out all of your players on a rigid schedule like that - it wouldn't work.
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Another spot on post. G was the face of the franchise (still is for now) when that contract was being negotiated, and putting people in the seats. You needed to pay him.
Striiker
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There's no reason to do that at all.
They absolutely do still fit into this team, you can't just have a bunch of young guys and not veteran leadership. And as far as their contracts go, unless you're the one actually paying them there's no issue. All these young guys on the team, either on ELC's or 1st contracts, will be cheap enough to compensate for their two contracts. It won't be an issue at all and there's no reason to have empty cap space instead of actual players.
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Konecny didn't play any special teams. Every other forward played special teams. 5v5 he played his fair share. Even in the tournaments most crucial minutes Cooper showed tons of confidence in him. You could see his confidence grow as the tournament went on.
Curufinwe
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I also watched his confidence grow this season on the Flyers as he played in a top 6 scoring role with Voracek, Couturier, Schenn and Simmonds all the way until he got injured.
Killorn was a secondary PKer, so Cooper was still using his veteran guy more than Konecny at ES.
Killorn was a secondary PKer, so Cooper was still using his veteran guy more than Konecny at ES.
BackToTheBrierePatch
Nope not today.
I dont have an issue with coaches using veteran players with more experience on special teams in these tournaments
CodyTheHuman
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I thought that too. There was one play of his where I actually thought "Damn, he looked fast right there."
Magua
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G's skating looked fine. He's definitely been getting burst back the last few months. He looked fine overall, making a ton of smart plays.
My issue with him, on the Flyers and on Canada it was similar, is mental: his perimeter play and hesitancy to make skilled plays, instead opting for the safe play too often for a player of his pure skill caliber. This is an issue he's had for some time, since before the injury, and it's still there with his skating coming around. It's like a mental block. He needs to watch old tape of himself.
My issue with him, on the Flyers and on Canada it was similar, is mental: his perimeter play and hesitancy to make skilled plays, instead opting for the safe play too often for a player of his pure skill caliber. This is an issue he's had for some time, since before the injury, and it's still there with his skating coming around. It's like a mental block. He needs to watch old tape of himself.
deadhead
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You can do that, Branch Rickey did it for decades. His motto was always trade a player a year early rather than a year late.
That's why Hextall wants so much talent depth, it allows you to move out veterans for draft picks and prospects, plug in a young player who has been kept in the AHL until he's ready, stay well under the salary cap and not miss a beat.
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