Friedman: Flyers willing to discuss almost anyone but Joel Farabee

[thestonedkoala]

That would have to be post ED AND the Flyers would have to be confident with Patrick taking the #3 spot.

And we know Minny would rather it be pre-ED....so there is the issue.

Depends, it could be after ED.

 

[kilowatt]

There's a difference between can be and will be traded. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Tripod]

Depends, it could be after ED.

I think Fletch would bite on that.

 

[AKL]

I think Fletch would bite on that.

It would need to be more than just Frost.

 

[legitarita19]

Rasmus Kupari and Carl Grundstrom for Travis Sanheim.

 

[Tripod]

Rasmus Kupari and Carl Grundstrom for Travis Sanheim.

Kupari is not an upgrade option over Patrick or Frost or Laughton.

The Flyers have 4 RWers that had more points than Carl G in Voracek, Konecny, Farabee and Aube-Kubel....and also had Allison with 7 pts in 14 games. So he would not play unless there were multiple injuries.

So you can see why the Flyers would politely decline trading Sanheim for this.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The analytics group of Flyers fans on our board, will tell you that Provy is overrated and that Sanheim has actually been the better Dman. And Ghost has been most years as well including this one. They also want the Flyers to stay VERY clear of Jones too.

So it all depends who you talk to. To them, dumping Provy on someone like you might be ideal if the return was right.

So a hypothetical Ghostisbehere/Sanheim pairing would be superior to a hypothetical Provorov/Jones pairing in their mind? A team with the former as their top pairing would do better than a team with the latter (assuming the rest of the pairings were the exact same quality)?

I ... I think that's when "analytics" folks go too far for me.

 

[Satan]

Please trade Wade Allison to Dallas

 

[F L Y E R S]

I don't believe this at all. Provorov and Hart available?.....not buying it

 

[CartographerNo611]

Goligoski will be 36 by the time the 21-22 season starts and mainly plays LD but can play RD even though he is a left shot. Sanheim is a LD/RD type as well but is better on LD.

I’d pass on Goligoski as the wheels have more then 900 games on them.

Watched a few Yotes games through out the year. Gogo is toast, wouldn't even sign him as a 7th d power play specialist at this point.

 

[Tripod]

So a hypothetical Ghostisbehere/Sanheim pairing would be superior to a hypothetical Provorov/Jones pairing in their mind? A team with the former as their top pairing would do better than a team with the latter (assuming the rest of the pairings were the exact same quality)?

I ... I think that's when "analytics" folks go too far for me.

Yes. That is what the numbers say.

 

[The Madrigal]

So a hypothetical Ghostisbehere/Sanheim pairing would be superior to a hypothetical Provorov/Jones pairing in their mind? A team with the former as their top pairing would do better than a team with the latter (assuming the rest of the pairings were the exact same quality)?

I ... I think that's when "analytics" folks go too far for me.

Just stop and think about for a second about how utterly FN ridiculous that is. That being said, go spend a few days on the Flyers board and you will get all of the context you need for stuff like this. It's an echo chamber in there. When Ghost got waived they were all flipping out about what a huge mistake it was and how he would definitely get claimed. Then when he didn't claimed the narrative became that 30 other NHL GM's didn't know what they were doing.

 

[Perratrooper]

Koneckny and Patrick to Colorado, what’s the ask?

 

[The Madrigal]

Yes. That is what the numbers say.

I wonder what would happen if someone posted a poll for this on the NHL forum to see what the majority of NHL fans think. I have a funny feeling that not only would about 90 percent of the people voting would understand that a Provorov/Jones would be vastly superior to a Sanheim/Ghost pair, I think it would provide some good laughs. I mean seriously, stop for one second and use common sense at how ridiculous of an ''opinion'' that is. It's not quite to the level of believing that the vaccine causes metal to stick to people's heads, but it's pretty close.

 

[Tripod]

I wonder what would happen if someone posted a poll for this on the NHL forum to see what the majority of NHL fans think. I have a funny feeling that not only would about 90 percent of the people voting would understand that a Provorov/Jones would be vastly superior to a Sanheim/Ghost pair, I think it would provide some good laughs. I mean seriously, stop for one second and use common sense at how ridiculous of an ''opinion'' that is. It's not quite to the level of believing that the vaccine causes metal to stick to people's heads, but it's pretty close.

But in theory, it's not an opinion. It's what the numbers are showing.

 

[The Madrigal]

But in theory, it's not an opinion. It's what the numbers are showing.

It is absolutely an opinion. Its an opinion to choose to rely on mathematical equations to determine if hockey players are good, versus actually watching them play and tangibly seeing if they are good while taking into account nuance, context, etc etc. While I would imagine that the majority of NHL teams put a much greater emphasis on the latter, they all have analytics departments. There is a reason 30 NHL teams just passed on Ghost for free and several teams will be willing to give up significant value for Jones this offseason. But I'm sure there is some kind of silly justification for that too.

 

[FrolikFan67]

Moving guys like couts and Provorov make no sense. Maybe some of the older guys though? Giroux has one year left and is 33 I believe? Voracek has a high cap hit with 4yrs remaining and is over 30 now. Perhaps jvr? Idk, I think those guys would make a little more sense. What’s the ask for giroux?

 

[Rich Nixon]

As a Rangers fan, trust me you don’t want him. Never seen a defenseman play worse than Sanheim in either of the blowout games. Was on ice and pretty much directly responsible for 7 goals in the first 9-0 win. Dude has the tools but is clueless, similar to Hanifin in that sense

I missed the boat on this a couple days ago, but are you sure you aren't talking about Myers? Because in those two blowouts, that pairing was indeed on the ice for most of the goals--but the complete and total lapses leading to them were almost all Myers. My good friend/fellow hockey guy and Flyers fan wasn't watching, so I was sending him screenshots of Phil's positioning all game and asking him to guess what happened next (which basically meant he was guessing which of two or three unmarked Rangers got the goal).

In 9-0 game, first goal was kinda both of them being idiots--Sanheim chasing, then Myers doing the Chel pylon "bend over with stick flat on ice" move. Second was Phil wandering to the high half-wall for no reason and leaving an easy two-on-one. Third was a horrible Myers turnover in the corner. Fourth was Myers completely losing a wing on his side of the netmouth...

Sanheim wasn't exactly good in those outings, but he was mostly a victim of his partner there. My suspicion is you have the two mixed up--tall guys on the same a pairing who wear numbers 5 and 6--but yeah, I'm a huge Myers fan though he did Sanheim no favors this year.

 

[Lays]

I missed the boat on this a couple days ago, but are you sure you aren't talking about Myers? Because in those two blowouts, that pairing was indeed on the ice for most of the goals--but the complete and total lapses leading to them were almost all Myers. My good friend/fellow hockey guy and Flyers fan wasn't watching, so I was sending him screenshots of Phil's positioning all game and asking him to guess what happened next (which basically meant he was guessing which of two or three unmarked Rangers got the goal).

In 9-0 game, first goal was kinda both of them being idiots--Sanheim chasing, then Myers doing the Chel pylon "bend over with stick flat on ice" move. Second was Phil wandering to the high half-wall for no reason and leaving an easy two-on-one. Third was a horrible Myers turnover in the corner. Fourth was Myers completely losing a wing on his side of the netmouth...

Sanheim wasn't exactly good in those outings, but he was mostly a victim of his partner there. My suspicion is you have the two mixed up--they share a pairing and wear numbers 5 and 6, so it would make sense, but yeah--I'm a huge Myers fan but he did Sanheim no favors this year.

Sanheim looked much worse to me. From what I saw Myers had to cover for him more

 

[Rich Nixon]

Sanheim looked much worse to me. From what I saw Myers had to cover for him more

Not sure that bears out if you go look at the tape, subjective as opinions may be--but it's fair to say both were pretty awful on those evenings.

 

[Flukeshot]

Flyers are looking to acquire more gingers

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Go for a ridiculous trade

Draisaitl, Nurse and Broberg

for

Couturier, Patrick, Provorov and Konecny


f*** it, i dunno thats probably not a good trade but i didnt put any thought into it haha.

 

[Starat327]

There's no conceivable way you could watch Sanheim and Myers play this year and come away with the idea that Sanheim is the worse of the two, unless you watched a 30 second clip. Sanheim was immensely better than Myers in every aspect of hockey this year ( and the previous).

 

[Larry44]

Kupari is not an upgrade option over Patrick or Frost or Laughton.

The Flyers have 4 RWers that had more points than Carl G in Voracek, Konecny, Farabee and Aube-Kubel....and also had Allison with 7 pts in 14 games. So he would not play unless there were multiple injuries.

So you can see why the Flyers would politely decline trading Sanheim for this.

Why would we trade one of our best Dman for lesser King prospects?

 

[dingbathero]

I'd be okay with seeing either of;

Myers
Sanhiem
Frost
Patrick
Hagg
JVR
13 ovr

being traded, together in a package or seperate. All of this talk tho is kind of moot prior to the ED.

I cannot see the Flyers trading Provorov, Hart, TK, Farabee, Coots, Voracek, Hayes (f'n NMC - I'd let him go), Giroux.

We need, as been said, an upgrade to the right side of the D and a complement to Hart in net. We'd love a TRUE second line centre or rifleman that can finish.

However, I do believe that the bigeest fault of this team HAS been the coaching staff. More so the PK and PP systems. They were truly awful.

Did COVID really hurt us this year? We have quite a few young players that probably didn't adapt as well as they could/should have.

So from above and other teams looking to dance.
RHD
2nd Line C
Back up

That's how I see it.