Confirmed with Link: Flyers Sign 2019 3rd round pick Ronnie Attard (D) To 2-year ELC (Could make his NHL debut Saturday, April 2)

[mr4tno]

I think JVR will be moveable at 50% retained, they may get a decent asset as well - his strong finish has him at 17 goals with 15 games left, 20+ goals for 1yr/$3.5M will be very attractive for teams looking to add scoring. Or take a bad contract back.

Atkinson will be easily moved at 3yr/$16M, 42 ES points in 67 games suggests he's far from washed up.
TK, Brink, Tippett, Allison with Foerster, Hodgson and Wisdom in the AHL is plenty of depth at RW.

Areed. The last thing they should entertain is buying out JVR. 50% retention saves almost as much money as the buy-out without the extra year plus you should net a decent asset. Not sure I agree with Atkinson unless an extremely diminished asset is coming back

 

[phil162888]

Areed. The last thing they should entertain is buying out JVR. 50% retention saves almost as much money as the buy-out without the extra year plus you should net a decent asset. Not sure I agree with Atkinson unless an extremely diminished asset is coming back

With the above 2 options you'd have to be an idiot to give up assets or take back a bad contract in order to get rid of JVR.... that being said we do have a idiot GM/ownership group...so.... aggressive retool bs..we suck...admit it like us fans and move on and rebuild with the youth

 

[phil162888]

I think that it might be Provorov. That rumor last weekend about a possible Provorov for Nylander deal in the off-season makes sense. I’d rather have Nylander than JG. Toronto isn’t going anywhere in the POs until they resolve their back end issues. Additionally this trade is a salary wash.
Of course if the club moves Provorov, it has to have extended Sanheim first.

That would be a bad move....Nylander is ok as your 3rd or 4th option...as your primary option he'd likely be a disaster....he's not a player you build around imo....in Toronto he can suck for 20 games and hide behind Matthews and Marner....gets hot for a few weeks fans love him again here they'd look to him to lead the franchise and that won't work

 

[renberg]

That would be a bad move....Nylander is ok as your 3rd or 4th option...as your primary option he'd likely be a disaster....he's not a player you build around imo....in Toronto he can suck for 20 games and hide behind Matthews and Marner....gets hot for a few weeks fans love him again here they'd look to him to lead the franchise and that won't work

Your description of Nylander sounds a lot like Provorov. Hiding behind the play of Sanheim.

 

[phil162888]

Your description of Nylander sounds a lot like Provorov. Hiding behind the play of Sanheim.

Playing 25 minutes a night against the other teams best line is far from hiding lol....trading Provy or Sanheim would be dumb unless your getting an impact player back. Let Ellis come back and see if you actually have 2 decent pairs which was why Fletcher made all these stupid moves last offseason + resigning Risto....wtf would you change that now unless like I've said Sanheim won't extend for a reasonable contract

 

[captainpaxil]

I think there's a big if in re-signing sanheim. Nylander is a nice get but I feel it's a bit of shuffling deck chairs. Creating a hole to fill one is such a Fletcher move I'm okay with it by itself but I'm sure idiocy will follow

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Copycat:

2021/22 Roster Thread XVI: Onto the trade deadline (March 21) and beyond

hfboards.mandatory.com

havent read that ;D but love to have the same idea as you ;D

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Propaganda machine is already working against Provy.

Its funny that not more people realise the timing of those rumors! Provy is here 4rever. And we never ever had such rumors. The team is actively sending the media such informations so the hockey world and the fans slowly realise something will happen! Its as old as the world of human mankind! Use Rumors to you favor and you have an easy life!

Its not suprising at all that they now start those. Its just typical Flyers!

 

[RebusFlyer]

Attard's contract finally listed among the defensemen on CapFriendly. Surprisingly, to me at any rate, is that it is only $883,750 per year, compared to $925,000 for Noah Cates. Somehow, I would have thought Attard was the more highly-regarded prospect.

 

[VladDrag]

Attard's contract finally listed among the defensemen on CapFriendly. Surprisingly, to me at any rate, is that it is only $883,750 per year, compared to $925,000 for Noah Cates. Somehow, I would have thought Attard was the more highly-regarded prospect.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but iirc Cates was a few months from being able to choose any team. They had to give him the max elc otherwise he’s getting it from someone else.

Again, all predicated on an assumption

 

[TB87]

This underlined here from Starman is absolutely hilarious:

*Per Crossing Broad***

 

[Striiker]

This underlined here from Starman is absolutely hilarious:

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*Per Crossing Broad***

“He's not a power play quarterback either. He's better as an off-defenseman. I think he's a No. 4 defenseman in the NHL. I’ll tell you, Attard is a much better version of someone who is a powerplay quarterback and is a top pair defensemen.”

Solid work there.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Well it makes sense since he called him a #4. Ghost is a #7.

 

[deadhead]

Ghost is a top pair D-man on Arizona the way AMac was a top pair defenseman on the Islanders.

Now the version of Ghost that came out of Mt Union, if he stays healthy and learns some discipline (he was the Mt Union offense, which led to some bad habits), that was a top pair defenseman on any team. Unfortunately, after an ACL, groin and scoping both knees, the current Ghost is a shadow of that player.

 

[Curufinwe]

AMac never scored 30 points in a season for the Islanders, let alone 40.

 

[Curufinwe]

That would be a bad move....Nylander is ok as your 3rd or 4th option...as your primary option he'd likely be a disaster....he's not a player you build around imo....in Toronto he can suck for 20 games and hide behind Matthews and Marner....gets hot for a few weeks fans love him again here they'd look to him to lead the franchise and that won't work

He wouldn't be the primary option here.

 

[deadhead]

AMac never scored 30 points in a season for the Islanders, let alone 40.

He played 24:38 and 25:25 a game.
Ghost is playing 22:11 for Zona.

I'm not that impressed with Ghost's scoring, since three other Zona D-men are putting up similar PP/60 (ES) numbers, that tells me his scoring is as much scheme driven as talent driven. Sorta like Gus putting up 60 points with Chicago one season.
2018-19: Gus 1.65, Keith 1.34, Rutta 1.07, Jokiharju 1.01
2021-22: Chychrun 1.32, Ghost 1.27, Moser 1.24, Dineen 1.23
xGF/60 (ES)
Chychrun 2.43, Moser 2.39, Dineen 2.39, Ghost 2.38

Ghost would not play ahead of York on the Flyers in 2022-23, and definitely not Provorov or Sanheim.
So losing Ghost would have had little impact on the Flyers going forward.

 

[Cody Webster]

Ghost is a top pair D-man on Arizona the way AMac was a top pair defenseman on the Islanders.

Now the version of Ghost that came out of Mt Union, if he stays healthy and learns some discipline (he was the Mt Union offense, which led to some bad habits), that was a top pair defenseman on any team. Unfortunately, after an ACL, groin and scoping both knees, the current Ghost is a shadow of that player.

Mt Union =/= Union

 

[Curufinwe]

There's a huge impact because instead of having Ghost's expiring contract for one more season they are wasting $5.1m over 5 years on a defensemen who can't score or defend.

And they are missing a 1st and two 2nds.

 

[deadhead]

There's a huge impact because instead of having Ghost's expiring contract for one more season they are wasting $5.1m over 5 years on a defensemen who can't score or defend.

And they are missing a 1st and two 2nds.

Risto is a separate issue. I've said repeatedly that was the big off season mistake.
However, Risto is an upgrade over Myers, so it doesn't explain the 2021-22 collapse. The cost is going forward.
And yes, i would have moved Risto to recoup that cost.

Dumping Ghost cost less than Zito paid to dump Stralman (with one year left on his deal) or the NYI to dump Ladd.
So no, Fletcher wasn't "taken to the cleaners."

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Well it makes sense since he called him a #4. Ghost is a #7.

Even more fitting because he's wearing #47.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Dumping Ghost cost less than Zito paid to dump Stralman (with one year left on his deal) or the NYI to dump Ladd.
So no, Fletcher wasn't "taken to the cleaners."

When we make comparisons that rely on those three players being rough equals, it should probably be a sign to stop and think of a new angle of approach.

While we're at it, Gostisbehere has the most difficult 5v5 Forward QualComp of Arizona's Defensemen this year. Usually you value that.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Risto is a separate issue. I've said repeatedly that was the big off season mistake.
However, Risto is an upgrade over Myers, so it doesn't explain the 2021-22 collapse. The cost is going forward.
And yes, i would have moved Risto to recoup that cost.

Dumping Ghost cost less than Zito paid to dump Stralman (with one year left on his deal) or the NYI to dump Ladd.
So no, Fletcher wasn't "taken to the cleaners."

Do you know what explains the 21-22 collapse? All of those little things that you said don't matter adding up to the point that they did, in fact, matter.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Ghost is a top pair D-man on Arizona the way AMac was a top pair defenseman on the Islanders.

Now the version of Ghost that came out of Mt Union, if he stays healthy and learns some discipline (he was the Mt Union offense, which led to some bad habits), that was a top pair defenseman on any team. Unfortunately, after an ACL, groin and scoping both knees, the current Ghost is a shadow of that player.

Union and Mt Union are two wholy different schools. I hate MT UNION with a passion equal to the Rangers and Penguins.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Did Blackhawks fans fawn over Gustafsson like Flyers fans still grieve over Ghost?