which makes sense...you keep the younger guy. The ED is the reason we got Filp, not because he sucks. I'm just saying Hartnell is still a useful player.
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My personal belief is that Rubtsov is a significantly better prospect than Laughton. Worth remembering he was playing against men at 18 in the KHL then was at a ppg clip in the u18's. Also while it's much easier to score in the Q than OHL Laughton didn't blow the roof off the league until he was older and still was blown out by talent that was younger and far superior. True that Laughton broke camp at 18 but he didn't stick. He played exceptionally well in Oshawa that year but it hasn't translated. Maybe he's had a string of bad luck and injuries where he will bloom late either here or elsewhere which I hope is the case but he's never shown the upside German has so far. IMO if Rubstov was in NA already he goes 12-15.
Injuries are a concern with me for Rubtsov but we'll see how he fairs in Jr's next season.
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I already have - Puljujarvi. I don't think EDM necessarily makes that deal either, but to act like it is out of the question is wide of the mark IMO. Simmer has a ton of value around this league, more than you are giving him credit for having, I think. I know that you aren't the only one who disagrees with me about this and that's fine, but I think his intangibles are more valuable in trade - that is, the perception of him to the team that acquires him is higher - than his actual value to us in both tangibles (scoring) and intangibles (leadership, punching, etc.) Again, I'm not trying to demean him at all - I just think he can return more in trade than he can give us, especially as we face his next contract. His value will never be higher than it is now, and we aren't going anywhere serious for another two years at the very least.
nope. I could see close..but more...and in the offseason...the TDL makes people more desparate.
How about this...what would you trade for Simmonds? Comparable isn't exact...but Backlund is kind of comparable...good 2nd line value for cap hit, similar age.
Why would any team similar to us pay for Simmonds? I get why WSH, Min, Stl is in.
Would WSH part with Kuznetzov...hes PERFECT for our needs IMO..24yr old RFA. Not a chance they would.
Worth is not the same as actual return.
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Striiker
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Oh hellllllllllllllllllll nooooooooo
Do not want Hartnell back on this team. Our PK sucks as it is, we don't need to give them another 40-50 chances to get scored on.
Yes, I know he only had 63 PIM this season, but I assume that was a fluke and he'll be back above 100 PIM next year, like has has been for 11 of the last 16 seasons. And that's not including the 70 PIM he racked up in 32 games during the lockout year. And now that his scoring is significantly lower, he makes up for even less of those dumbass penalties.
Do not want Hartnell back on this team. Our PK sucks as it is, we don't need to give them another 40-50 chances to get scored on.
Yes, I know he only had 63 PIM this season, but I assume that was a fluke and he'll be back above 100 PIM next year, like has has been for 11 of the last 16 seasons. And that's not including the 70 PIM he racked up in 32 games during the lockout year. And now that his scoring is significantly lower, he makes up for even less of those dumbass penalties.
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If the organization is going to move one forward of value this off season, it should be Schenn not Simmer. Losing Simmons creates too big of a hole on the roster in too many ways.
puli is top line potential, but he's not in the NHL producing. Id totally do this deal too. Bennett, IMO is worth more than Puli...today.
And I love Simmonds, it's not about him, its about the 2021 Flyers.
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I'd seriously go mental if we dragged his dunce ass back. I'd like to see our collective hockey IQ rise, not nosedive.
Luckily, I don't think we have to worry about it.
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And that's perfect for our needs. He'll be NHL ready next season, for sure. No one is a guarantee, but he is a damned fine player to take that chance on.
the logic is Simmonds is worth more, will be priced out/age counterproductive on his next deal, and thus gone in 2 years. Everybody likes him and thinks Wayne is better.
Striiker
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Losing Schenn creates a huge hole too.
He may frustrate people, but he's our 2nd best goalscorer, right behind Simmonds.
At first I was skeptical about him being able to repeat his 2015-2016 season performance but this year he was very good again so I'm more comfortable with him now.
And yes, I know it was mostly on the PP this year, but his PP skill won't diminish and his (and the rest of the teams) 5v5 scoring should improve as the defense becomes more mobile/skilled/intelligent in the next couple of years.
He may frustrate people, but he's our 2nd best goalscorer, right behind Simmonds.
At first I was skeptical about him being able to repeat his 2015-2016 season performance but this year he was very good again so I'm more comfortable with him now.
And yes, I know it was mostly on the PP this year, but his PP skill won't diminish and his (and the rest of the teams) 5v5 scoring should improve as the defense becomes more mobile/skilled/intelligent in the next couple of years.
Think he was injured twice. He had a bad injury one year ago today actually..
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Oh my God, we agree on something.
Why would we want a slow, aging PF who would play at best on the 2nd PP unit and be a liability defensively (ignoring his propensity for stupid penalties)?
Right now with Lindblom coming over, we're trying to figure out which 6 forwards to play on the top 3 lines, where would Hartnell fit?
Was straightening it out. Anyway....21 points is still only 21 points. Still not sure where you are going with this.
The injury definitely affected him and his style of play. More importantly, his confidence. If you cant/couldn't see that than I am not sure what else to say. Agree to disagree and carry on.
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The issue with Laughton isn't whether to give him a shot in TC, it's whether to use your last ED protection slot on him.
Of course, if he's with the team you give him a shot.
He's only 23, coming off a good AHL campaign where he showed real improvement.
Of course, if he's with the team you give him a shot.
He's only 23, coming off a good AHL campaign where he showed real improvement.
Striiker
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Oh my God, we agree on something.
Why would we want a slow, aging PF who would play at best on the 2nd PP unit and be a liability defensively (ignoring his propensity for stupid penalties)?
Right now with Lindblom coming over, we're trying to figure out which 6 forwards to play on the top 3 lines, where would Hartnell fit?
It happens sometimes. Not often, but sometimes.
I'd rather the top 6 looked like
Striiker
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It happens sometimes. Not often, but sometimes.
I'd rather the top 6 looked like
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Lindblom-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Couturier-Simmonds
and then maybe Konecny-Filppula-Weise? I don't know.
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21 points in 70 games scored entirely at 5 on 5, scoring at 1.88 points/60.
For comparison this year Konency had 22 points in 70 games at 5 on 5, scoring at 1.55 points/60.
Laughton's struggles after the concussion in February 2015 weren't due to lack of confidence or an unwillingness to go into the scoring areas. They were on the defensive side, and it doesn't make sense to blame them on the injury like you are doing. Players struggling with the after affects of head trauma just don't score the way Laughton did in very limited minutes.
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They still filled them with Stolarz & Gostisbehere. The former is comparable to Subban while the latter is better than Maatta. Like I said you win some you lose some. Laughton hasn't turned out great but getting a player like Gostisbehere in the third round doesn't happen with regularity.
Hextall's drafts are still early & fresh so it's easy to look at them in a positive light at the moment. When you get to the five year mark though like with this class things could be looking a lot different for better or worse.
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I like Foo better than Vecchione. But I don't know what his addition would mean to the glut of 4th line / NHL-AHL brink players the organization has. I vote for a pay-per-view battle royale.
Bring in all the Union players! But hey, more the merrier. If anything, it's like getting a free player.
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