This thread(s) really do need a theme song.
If I listen to this when reading the Fleury thread(s) begins to make sense to me. Try it, it really works.
This thread(s) really do need a theme song.
If I listen to this when reading the Fleury thread(s) begins to make sense to me. Try it, it really works.
Well, Halak's rights were traded to the Islanders when the Pens were still in the playoffs, and he later signed with the Islanders right after the Pens got eliminated. So again, you're still wrong.
aren't they not allowed to talk to other teams' FAs till after the draft(or sometime around there)?What? That does nothing to show that the Pens could not sign Halak before CBOing Fleury.
If anything, had management made a serious push for signing Halak (we now see how unlikely that is, CBOing Fleury was never even considered, clearly) it would certainly have delayed the negotiating process, as him and his agent would have had to think about whether to go to Pitt or NYI. I'd hazard a guess and say, chances are we'd win that one.
I also like how you completely ignored the second half of my response, about Halak being a superior playoff goalie over Fleury.
this is the single worst personnel/roster move that the penguins have made since the crosby and malkin era, i am pretty sure.
this is the single worst personnel/roster move that the penguins have made since the crosby and malkin era, i am pretty sure.
The insane aspect of this team is that we're keeping the whole roster intact basically (Dupuis, Scuderi, Kunitz, Fleury) despite achieving practically nothing with said roster.
Fleury has been horrible in the playoffs for the past 1/2 decade and now we have another 1/2 decade of him to look forward to. Statistically, he's been the 2nd worst goalie in the post-season since 2010.
When it comes to Fleury, it all comes down to two very basic, yet very passionate schools of thought.
On one side, there's the "look at the rings and count the wins" crowd. This side remembers him making a last-second save in a Game 7 of the 2009 Stanley Cup Final and sees a guy closing in on 300 career wins ... on a team that has been carried by two of the best players of their generation ... and thinks he is not only one of the NHL's best goalies, but also among the elite of the elite at the position and is as important to the Penguins' success as Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin.
On the other side, you have the crowd that looks at every playoff meltdown he has experienced since that Stanley Cup save and seems to think that he is incapable of doing anything other than turning the puck over behind the net and giving up bad goals by the dozens.
He is neither of these goalies.
What he is, is a perfectly adequate and extremely durable NHL starting goalie. He will have great games, he will have awful games. He will make a save that will completely blow your mind, and then he will do something like this that will ... completely blow your mind. He will put together a stretch where he has three shutouts in a week, and he will play so poorly in another week later in the season that he has to be benched for his backup in the playoffs.
When it comes to his play on the ice and his actual production he is virtually indistinguishable from the majority of starting goaltenders around the NHL. He will consistently put up a .913-.917 save percentage and reside right in the middle of the pack.
You could certainly do better. You could certainly do worse. And this is where we start to find the trouble with NHL goalies.
The problem isn't necessarily with this particular contract. If anything, the Penguins were wise to only go four years with it when so many teams around the league are trying to invest in six- and seven-year deals for their starting goalie, and then probably regretting it a few years later. He is an average goalie making an average starting goalie's salary. Based on the market, he is probably right where he should be in terms of payment (maybe a little above it).
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...rys-contract-and-the-trouble-with-the-goalies
Right off the bat, Adam Gretz hits the nail on the head.
He's forgetting the key part, though: While being such an average goaltender (and one that tends to implode in the playoffs, as he notes), he's being treated like a franchise player. That's the maddening part and not the dollars or the term.
didn't you say you were done following the Pens if they extended Fleury? You can't tease us like that and then not follow through.
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...rys-contract-and-the-trouble-with-the-goalies
Right off the bat, Adam Gretz hits the nail on the head.
He does an excellent job of explaining why no goalie - not just Fleury - should be getting paid. The difference between a good (or above average) and a bad (or below average) goalie will amount to maybe 4-6 points per season.
He's forgetting the key part, though: While being such an average goaltender (and one that tends to implode in the playoffs, as he notes),he's being treated like a franchise player. That's the maddening part and not the dollars or the term.
how exactly is he being treated like a franchise player?
How exactly is getting a fair market value, medium term extension being treated like a franchise player?