FA/Trade Thread 14-15 Season V.20 - 5 days to TDD

[Daisy Jane]

Yeah, that was what I first thought. But all scouts were retained. I think he may have been unhappy with the lack of risks our selections have taken. IE Gauthier

What Simmons said made sense. Scouts submit their rankings yearly, Shanahan went through them and apparently was ok with what he saw.

Scouts can like a player but that player is not picked because Mgt make the ultimate pick.

that's what I figured after i re-read what you posted.
I think Hunter will help increase our scouting ranks but if the player rankings are good (to Shanahan) the management team picked what they liked. (which could be iffy at best). so we'll see what goes on.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Keep in mind he says each scouts list. So if the scouts say 1 thing to and the GM drafts who he wants. Your scouts may still be good and it's really the ones making the decisions who were at fault.

The way Simmons was speaking about this, I have no reason to doubt what he reported. He seems to be on the inside since Burke was let go.

Shanahan asked for scouts rankings, and he evaluated their lists. He was okay with what he saw, thus there was no shake up for now in the scouts we employ.

It seems like he was more critical in the selection process, why Hunter was hired. Than the scouting itself.

I know I am as guilty of this as most. Just because the Leafs drafted Gauthier, does not mean the Leafs scouts were unaminous on this pick. I am sure some, not all had him on top.

 

[hockeywiz542]

According to Kevin Kurz of CSN Bay Area, the San Jose Sharks would likely have to surrender a player like Tomas Hertl, Matt Nieto, Mirco Mueller, and/or Nikolay Goldobin along with multiple draft picks if they were to make a run at Phil Kessel.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/sharks-mailbag-could-kessel-be-fit-san-jose

Who do the Sharks trade in order to get Phil Kessel? At the age of 27 do you think Kessel would fit with Doug Wilson’s rebuild? #SharksTalk (@TheLegitKoolKid)

Phil Kessel is an interesting name. He’s still young enough that he could be considered a player for the future, fitting in with Wilson’s plan, and he’s also locked up contract-wise with seven years remaining after this one (at an $8 million cap hit annually). The Sharks are one of just a few teams that could comfortably take on his contract, especially considering next season's salary cap may be lower than anticipated.

We already know the Sharks won’t trade a young prospect or a first round pick for a veteran rental, but that’s obviously not what Kessel is. He’s an elite talent and one of the NHL’s best offensive players. The Sharks would likely have to surrender a player like Tomas Hertl, Matt Nieto, Mirco Mueller, and/or Nikolay Goldobin along with multiple draft picks if they were to make a run at Kessel, as the Maple Leafs have entered into a rebuild phase (defined differently than what Wilson is calling a rebuild). But, it may be worth it.

Something else to keep in mind – Kessel and Joe Pavelski had some good chemistry at the Olympics in Sochi a year ago. It’s an intriguing thought to reunite two of the best active American-born players.

 

[Teeder9]

Tierney's an underrated prospect for sure.

Difference between underrated and 3rd line player

 

[dubplatepressure]

According to Kevin Kurz of CSN Bay Area, the San Jose Sharks would likely have to surrender a player like Tomas Hertl, Matt Nieto, Mirco Mueller, and/or Nikolay Goldobin along with multiple draft picks if they were to make a run at Phil Kessel.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/sharks-mailbag-could-kessel-be-fit-san-jose

This just in. Top picks and prospects required for Phil Kessel.

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

Hertl, Mueller + 1st would be good with me.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Hertl, Mueller + 1st would be good with me.

Heck yah.

 

[Cor]

Sharks make sense for Kessel

 

[Phion Keneuf]

If the Sharks landed Kessel without losing any pieces from their current lineup they would be scary good.

Hertl-Thornton-Kessel
Marleau-Couture-Pavelski

That top 6 would be lethal

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Kessel and Little Joe had some magic in the Olympics too

 

[beer123]

Hertl, Mueller + 1st would be good with me.

Don't think Hertl is going anywhere. Mueller + 1st + another prospect probably. Mueller + Rielly could be the future first D line.

 

[613Leafer]

If the Sharks landed Kessel without losing any pieces from their current lineup they would be scary good.

Hertl-Thornton-Kessel
Marleau-Couture-Pavelski

That top 6 would be lethal

For a team with such a history of failing in the playoffs, I just don't think it's a good idea for them to trade the necessary young pieces + picks for Kessel.

They're not even in a playoff spot right now, and goals against is a bigger problem for them than goal production. They're 15th in goals for and 22nd in goals against. And with both Thornton/Marleau 36 years old by training camp next year, I think it's a huge move for what's a very quickly shrinking window.

Their best bet at this point IMO is to sell off their older guys and retool around Couture, Vlasic, Hertl, Pavelski, Burns, etc.

 

[Cor]

Mueller + 1st + Tierny

for

Kessel

 

[ACC1224]

My spidey senses say Thursday is next. Then busy Sunday/Monday. Be patient...value will go up closer to TDL. As long as contending teams get injuries and our assets stay healthy (or scratched). Expect Dion to sit till after the TDL. He would rather just stay in TO.

He's playing tomorrow, apparently.

 

[Oskar The Groucho]

where are these Kessel to SJ rumors coming from?

 

[Teeder9]

Mueller + 1st + Tierny

for

Kessel

That is a terrible deal for us. We aren't trading Reimer and Lupul here. 2nd pair dman, mid first at best, and a 3rd liner. Are we this desperate to trade him?

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

where are these Kessel to SJ rumors coming from?

there are no rumours. its just fan speculation.

 

[Oskar The Groucho]

there are no rumours. its just fan speculation.

Alright good thank god.. Florida is still the best destination for him Hurbedeau + 1st + prospect is the idle trade ugh just do it already lol...

 

[Faltorvo]

OMG is CHI in cap hell next year

IF the cap drops like some have speculated

they are looking at about 5 million in cap space to ink 11 contracts

i'm not even sure if 11 guys at league minimum gets them under.


woooof.

 

[gabeliscious]

Don't think Hertl is going anywhere. Mueller + 1st + another prospect probably. Mueller + Rielly could be the future first D line.

i would really hope that shannahan wouldnt move kessel for that. i personally dont think san jose has the expendable assets to motivate the leafs to move kessel (i hope)

 

[SprDaVE]

Was this talked about? I feel like it's pretty interesting...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-flames-face-deadline-crossroads/

15. As Toronto goes through its rebuilding, here’s a stat to know. In the 2011-15 OHL Drafts, the teams with the most selections were Sault Ste. Marie (with 69) and London (67). Those GMs? Kyle Dubas and Mark Hunter, now members of the Maple Leafs’ front office. You can expect both men will carry this philosophy with them to the NHL. Picks, picks, and more picks.

Also...

16. There was some weird Twitter path in my timeline indicating I’d said Boston, Montreal and Pittsburgh were in a three-way race for Joffrey Lupul. Don’t know where that came from, but it’s not correct.

I do believe those teams have had interest in him, but this isn’t like Dale Earnhardt Jr., Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson charging down the stretch at Daytona. Lupul has three years left on his contract, which is not an easy fit for the Bruins and Penguins, in particular.

17. Was thinking about Tampa GM Steve Yzerman’s comments about not liking the rental market. If he prefers a defenceman with term, Roman Polak might be the fit.

Yzerman is tight with Armstrong, who traded Polak to Toronto, and would get an honest appraisal. The Blues did not trade Polak because they disliked him, they traded him because, in a cap world, you have to make choices. He is not a perfect copy of Radko Gudas, who may be out for the year, but is from the same mold.

 

[Teeder9]

i would really hope that shannahan wouldnt move kessel for that. i personally dont think san jose has the expendable assets to motivate the leafs to move kessel (i hope)

Unless we're getting back a can't miss prospect, i'd sooner keep Kessel. We don't need organizational depth in a trade for our best player. We can use others for that

 

[DougGilmour93]

Kessel + Winnik

For

Tierney + Goldobin + Mueller + 1st in 2015 + 3rd in 2016

 

[pspot]

I suggested SJ a few weeks ago cause they needed scoring and a change. But cap wise didn't see how it would work unless someone like Marleau or Couture was invvoled

Unless offseason and those guys go in a separate deal

I didn't hate the idea of Marleau as he'd still have decent value and good vet

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I need to adjust my expectations for this trade deadline