Expansion Draft Thread II

[Spectra]

Good move to not select a bunch of goalies, they do have the least value. Question some other moves though but will wait until the other deals are done before final judgement.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I except LV to flip a couple players and nothing else tomorrow. Maybe a few trades at the draft.

 

[Plager05]

not sure why david perron is listed at RW. because he is a LW.

 

[agent082]

Thought Pulkkinen would be in Europe as soon as next season. Didn't Arizona have any decent player available?

 

[Iceman]

They went gor picks rather than best player available on many teams and the good players they actually took are rumoured as trade bait for even more picks.

I realize they want to build their own culture from the ground up but looks more like a tank job the first season. I genuinely thought VGK were going to be a bubble team in their first season but it seems they wanna draft high in 2018 by the looks of it.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Nosek just had a monster season in the AHL as well, and had a monster season in the Czech league before that. He's a good prospect. This hurts the already poor Detroit forward prospect pool more than it hurts Vegas.

Lol. He'll be 25 at the start of next season, he had a very good AHL playoffs but far from a "monster" season. Wings have plenty of bottom 6 talent and Nosek isn't really special. Personally I think LV is so focused on tanking they didn't want to take anyone good from Detroit, something that could help Detroit be worse than LV.

 

[Soedy]

I realize they want to build their own culture from the ground up but looks more like a tank job the first season. I genuinely thought VGK were going to be a bubble team in their first season but it seems they wanna draft high in 2018 by the looks of it.

Right move in the end, imo. 2018 draft should be quite strong. Good opinion to select your next face of the franchise (after MAF obviously).

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

They went gor picks rather than best player available on many teams and the good players they actually took are rumoured as trade bait for even more picks.

I realize they want to build their own culture from the ground up but looks more like a tank job the first season. I genuinely thought VGK were going to be a bubble team in their first season but it seems they wanna draft high in 2018 by the looks of it.

Yes, it's a surprising strategy, considering the NFL will be invading Vegas in a couple seasons. You'd think the Knights would want to hook a bunch of fans with a team that at least wins a decent amount of games right away.

 

[CupInSIX]

They went gor picks rather than best player available on many teams and the good players they actually took are rumoured as trade bait for even more picks.

I realize they want to build their own culture from the ground up but looks more like a tank job the first season. I genuinely thought VGK were going to be a bubble team in their first season but it seems they wanna draft high in 2018 by the looks of it.

How do you get 'tank job' from picking a top 15 goaltender and trying to recreate a high scoring Team Russia line?

 

[Curufinwe]

Good move to not select a bunch of goalies, they do have the least value. Question some other moves though but will wait until the other deals are done before final judgement.

What did you think of the Bellemare deal?

 

[Go Wings]

Nosek just had a monster season in the AHL as well, and had a monster season in the Czech league before that. He's a good prospect. This hurts the already poor Detroit forward prospect pool more than it hurts Vegas.


The biggest question mark was a 6th rounder not to take Ullmark. That's...ridiculous. Lindberg over Raanta is questionable. Schmidt over Grubauer is a good choice.

Nosek was going to be a 3rd or 4th liner nothing more. It does not hurts Detroits prospect pool as right now the only part of their prospect pool that is any good is their forwards.

 

[Mike Jones]

Thought Pulkkinen would be in Europe as soon as next season. Didn't Arizona have any decent player available?

I was asking myself the same question when I heard his name. I was expecting a trade to be announced right after.

 

[Ishad]

Lol. He'll be 25 at the start of next season, he had a very good AHL playoffs but far from a "monster" season. Wings have plenty of bottom 6 talent and Nosek isn't really special. Personally I think LV is so focused on tanking they didn't want to take anyone good from Detroit, something that could help Detroit be worse than LV.

Well, there wasn't anyone good from Detroit available. So they took one of the cheaper crap options.

 

[Opak]

Nosek just had a monster season in the AHL as well, and had a monster season in the Czech league before that. He's a good prospect. This hurts the already poor Detroit forward prospect pool more than it hurts Vegas.


The biggest question mark was a 6th rounder not to take Ullmark. That's...ridiculous. Lindberg over Raanta is questionable. Schmidt over Grubauer is a good choice.

The thing is, they already had their goalies pretty much wrapped up. Fleury + 2nd from PIT is a good deal, Pickard was BPA from Colorado. They had to pick one more goalie to fill their expansion quota, and they opted to take Snow's deal and pick Berube.

Backups and G prospects don't have that much value, so IMO they were wise in not taking goalies with their extra picks. They likely wouldn't have taken Ullmark anyway, so the 6th is just extra. Lindberg was better than Raanta in this case, as they likely valued bottom-6 depth over a would-be 3rd string goalie.

 

[Ainsy01]

How many first rounders did Vegas acquire in total? My count is 3. I was expecting like 6 or 7... not sure they really hit a home-run yesterday. Give them a B-

 

[Curufinwe]

What other teams were they supposed to get a 1st rounder from?

 

[tony d]

I get building for the long term but Vegas could have done so much better last night. Staal and Dumba available from the Wild and they pick Erik Haula? They could have rolled with a goalie duo of Fleury/Mrazek or Fleury/Raanta. We get Fleury/Pickard. Got to think this team could be in the running for last overall next year.

 

[Brainiac]

How many first rounders did Vegas acquire in total? My count is 3. I was expecting like 6 or 7... not sure they really hit a home-run yesterday. Give them a B-

There's a good overview on capfriendly: https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/goldenknights

The global picture for the next 3 drafts is that they acquired 9 picks and traded away 2. So a +7 so far. And they're currently sitting a 5 additional picks in the first 2 rounds over the next 3 years. Not that impressive (in my opinion), unless they really do some serious flipping using the players they acquired.

 

[Aerchon]

Vegas did worse than I had imagined in every capacity.

I get the long view. I get going after picks. I just don't think they did that well either IMO.

They gave up some of their own picks even.

Barring a lot of favorable moves from now until July 1st I would rate the Vegas expansion draft as a bust for Vegas.

 

[Ainsy01]

What other teams were they supposed to get a 1st rounder from?

Minnesota, Anaheim. Dumba and Vatanen are worth ATLEAST a first, probably a first and a second, to any other team in the leauge. I dont get why they would agree to a lesser asset to not take those players. Its like getting a nickel not to take the dime.

Winnipeg gave up a first rounder to protect a lesser player.

 

[ffh]

Minnesota, Anaheim. Dumba and Vatanen are worth ATLEAST a first, probably a first and a second, to any other team in the leauge. I dont get why they would agree to a lesser asset to not take those players. Its like getting a nickel not to take the dime.

Winnipeg gave up a first rounder to protect a lesser player.

Winnipeg didn't give up a 1st rounder.

 

[Ainsy01]

Winnipeg didn't give up a 1st rounder.

Technically they did. But okay, they moved down in the draft, from 13-25 (a large drop), to protect a lesser player.

 

[Curufinwe]

Minnesota, Anaheim. Dumba and Vatanen are worth ATLEAST a first, probably a first and a second, to any other team in the leauge.

Tuch and Theodore are recent 1st round picks whose value hasn't dropped.

 

[Ainsy01]

Tuch and Theodore are recent 1st round picks whose value hasn't dropped.

Dumba, Vatanen >>>> Tuch, Theodore.

They could have gotten more, is my point. I dont think they used their leverage that well.

 

[Curufinwe]

Dumba, Vatanen

Would have been protected or moved if a deal wasn't struck before the freeze.