Expansion Draft Thread II

[Harry Kakalovich]

I thought Vegas did very well. I don't think they went for a tank as some posters have mentioned. They have a very good goalie, a solid d corps which they will definitely use to make more trades, and some semblance of a forward group. They loaded up on futures as well as giving their team a solid foundation. It's true they are lacking a #1 d and a #1 c but did anybody expect them to find those in this draft? I think they will ice a competitive team next year. And they are far from done making moves.

 

[Jonas1235]

they're going to haul in even more guys. They have to trade at least 4 NHL calibre defensemen.

 

[Ainsy01]

Would have been protected or moved if a deal wasn't struck before the freeze.

The deal that was made was of lesser value than the player

 

[Stuzchuk]

Marc Methot (OTT)
Alexei Emelin (MTL)
Jason Garrison (TBL)
Clayton Stoner (ANA)
Brayden McNabb (LAK)
Nate Schmidt (WAS)
Griffin Reinhart (EDM)
Jon Merill (NJD)
Lucas Sbisa (VAN)


with all these LHD... who's moved out?

My guess, Methot and Emelin are gone for more futures

so far the most interesting I've seen on here was Methot+6 for 3

 

[Curufinwe]

The deal that was made was of lesser value than the player

A player they wouldn't have gotten.

 

[Go Wings]

I thought Vegas did very well. I don't think they went for a tank as some posters have mentioned. They have a very good goalie, a solid d corps which they will definitely use to make more trades, and some semblance of a forward group. They loaded up on futures as well as giving their team a solid foundation. It's true they are lacking a #1 d and a #1 c but did anybody expect them to find those in this draft? I think they will ice a competitive team next year. And they are far from done making moves.

I bet they finish dead last

 

[DarkandStormy]

GMGM loading up too much on a weak '17 draft class. 6 picks in the first two rounds looks nice, but they're only going to get two (and maybe even just one) solid NHLer out of those picks. Should have tried to load up on '18 and '19 picks instead of '17.

 

[mouser]

It's interesting, I expected Vegas would have had a few more post-draft trades lined up already.

 

[Curufinwe]

GMGM loading up too much on a weak '17 draft class. 6 picks in the first two rounds looks nice, but they're only going to get two (and maybe even just one) solid NHLer out of those picks.

Only if they have the worst scouts in the league.

 

[Donzo]

People can argue over value here and there, but I think GMGM did reasonably well in most respects. The only true headscratcher for me is trading Schlemko for a 5th. It only makes sense if GMGM is really committed to being bad for a few years and was afraid Schlemko would ruin that because he's a quality defenseman, otherwise they've given away a very good 5/6 d-man for cheap. If Beaulieu is worth a 3rd, Schlemko should've return at least that much.

 

[Curufinwe]

Sclemko is much older.

 

[Kingsfan1]

Vegas could have had a D core of

Johnson-Vatanen
Methot-Dumba
Mcnabb-Bogosian

They really ****ed up being nice

 

[Soundgarden]

Vegas could have had a D core of

Johnson-Vatanen
Methot-Dumba
Mcnabb-Bogosian

They really ****ed up being nice

Yeah, no they couldn't.

 

[nbducksfan19]

Minnesota, Anaheim. Dumba and Vatanen are worth ATLEAST a first, probably a first and a second, to any other team in the leauge. I dont get why they would agree to a lesser asset to not take those players. Its like getting a nickel not to take the dime.

Winnipeg gave up a first rounder to protect a lesser player.

pretty sure the expansion draft went right over your head. Those guys were never available to Vegas. If Vegas doesn't take a mutually beneficial deal, those guys are traded pre ED to other teams.

 

[Kingsfan1]

Yeah, no they couldn't.

All those players were left exposed. Sure the teams would have threatened to move them else where if no deals made with Vegas but it's not that easy because other teams would be hesitant to make a trade factoring in that they would be losing some of their own players

 

[nbducksfan19]

Vegas could have had a D core of

Johnson-Vatanen
Methot-Dumba
Mcnabb-Bogosian

They really ****ed up being nice

They could have tried....but then half those guys would be traded pre ED and they would be left with the same crappy team, but less prospects/picks.

 

[080]

Vegas could have had a D core of

Johnson-Vatanen
Methot-Dumba
Mcnabb-Bogosian

They really ****ed up being nice

Yeah what a bunch of morons over there, getting players like Tuch, Theodore, and 1st rounders, instead of building, potentially, a decent defense for what is going to be a horrendous group of forwards.

 

[nbducksfan19]

All those players were left exposed. Sure the teams would have threatened to move them else where if no deals made with Vegas but it's not that easy because other teams would be hesitant to make a trade factoring in that they would be losing some of their own players

you're right, but teams like Arizona and Colorado would have feasted off taking those guys for a discount - as getting something is better than nothing. Mcphee isn't an idiot and saw that is exactly what would have happened if he didn't play nice.

 

[Soundgarden]

All those players were left exposed. Sure the teams would have threatened to move them else where if no deals made with Vegas but it's not that easy because other teams would be hesitant to make a trade factoring in that they would be losing some of their own players

All those players were left exposed after they had deals in place with Vegas. Most of them weren't actually available.

 

[TaLoN]

Vegas could have had a D core of

Johnson-Vatanen
Methot-Dumba
Mcnabb-Bogosian

They really ****ed up being nice

No they really couldn't.

The Wild were very close to trading 2 D-men when they dealt with Vegas before the freeze. Vegas was better off getting what they got from the Wild than letting the Wild trade away 2 D-men and Vegas ends up with less.

Dumba/Brodin/Scandella were NEVER in play for Vegas to take.

From Russo...

Fletcher made clear he explained to center Eric Staal when left unprotected that he was confident the veteran center was safe from being protected. "We had this arrangement with Vegas [for Haula] now for close to a week," Fletcher said. "So I was able to talk to Eric early on, and I don't Eric was ever in danger of not being with our club."

ALMOST a week the deal with Vegas has been done... that means AT LEAST by Friday it was done. Dumba and Scandella being on the exposed list was completely meaningless when the list came out at that point.

 

[Curufinwe]

Bogosian isn't worth his huge contract.

 

[Ciao]

VGK sure has a whack of second- and third-pairing defencemen to move.

I wonder what happens if they misread the market for these guys?

 

[madinsomniac]

VGK sure has a whack of second- and third-pairing defencemen to move.

I wonder what happens if they misread the market for these guys?

The bottom feeders are getting some freebies lol

 

[mouser]

VGK sure has a whack of second- and third-pairing defencemen to move.

I wonder what happens if they misread the market for these guys?

I think at this point Vegas might be better served to wait until after July 1st if they aren't getting offers they like now. Once the FA pool is depleted on July 1st a lot more teams will circle back around to Vegas and the bidders competing will increase.

Also keep in mind many teams deliberately didn't sign some pending UFAs before the expansion draft. There are some additional deck chairs to be sorted out in the next week we don't usually get each offseason.

 

[madinsomniac]

It's interesting, I expected Vegas would have had a few more post-draft trades lined up already.

There were days of talk... and they are over roster limits... my guess is either:

A.) They are saving stuff for draft day cause thats when big deals go down
B.) they are asking too much right now hoping a desperate team will bite
C.) they are taking their time and hoping camp injuries might inflate prices
D.) the league didn't like the reaction on social media of how fans perceived the expansion draft and won't approve a bunch of bigger name trades just yet so it doesn't look like they are tanking off the bat...