Evander Kane goes off on DoPS

[nturn06]

He's correct. Chara should have been given a 5 game suspension but he's a golden boy and gets a small fine.

The worst part is that their inconsistency makes the "repeat ofender" considerations a joke. Next time Chara does something stupid, they will probably use the fact that he is NOT a repeat ofeneder to let him go free

 

[LeafsNation75]

"How can I make this about the Leafs?". Like clockwork.

I was using it as an example of how Parros is horrible at his job and there is no consistency. However I see you have no problem with this reply about an illegal hit on McAvoy that wasn't given a suspension since you liked that reply.

Lauzon gets 2 games and Crouse hits McAvoy worse and gets nothing in the same game. Parros is useless, Kane is no saint but makes a point. How come there is no video of the incident?

 

[dss97]

Can he get fined for saying this?

I agree with him 100% though

 

[Crow]

A lot of the plays referenced showed what should be suspensions. Doesn’t change the fact that Kane should be suspended too.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

I was using it as an example of how Parros is horrible at his job and there is no consistency. However I see you have no problem with this reply about an illegal hit on McAvoy that wasn't given a suspension since you liked that reply.

Gee thanks for dragging me into this. This was to counter the countless vids on Chara. I fing it funny because there is not one video on the incident of topic - Kane. Just wanted to show Parros is a league wide loser.

 

[NeverBeNormal]

He's right, but he deserves the suspension and I dare say 3 sounds about right. Leave it to Evander Kane to rightly point out how awful the DOPS is on one of the rare occasions they pretty much didn't screw up.

 

[Marshall]

Haven't agreed with Kane this much since he handled Matt Cooke.

 

[one2gamble]

Perceived inconsistency is an inevitability. Not only because the rulebook is not written in a tight way and thus a whole range of decisions can be justified for any one incident, but also because just about everyone who analyzes DoPS decisions isn't evaluating them for fairness and logic, but rather is comparing them to their own personal first impression when they see an incident.

This kind of perceived inconsistency is much more likely to be a result of how hastily people jump to conclusions, how little introspective analysis is done in those conclusions, and thus how much inconsistency there is in those first impressions. This statement by Kane is equally hasty and without due consideration. Unlike most fans, the DoPS analyzes plays critically and breaks down all factors. When players, fans and media do the same, then they can have a conversation about consistency. When you have people saying [incident 1] is 'literally identical to' [incident 2] when there are significant differences between them, that conversation is pointless and goes nowhere.

Kane is absolutely right when he said that very few people in the NHL understand the rules and how they lead to decisions. I think it's about time they start paying attention.

You keep saying perceived....it's not perceived, it is in fact inconsistent

 

[LeafsNation75]

Gee thanks for dragging me into this. This was to contour the countless vids on Chara. I fing it funny because there is not one video on the incident of topic - Kane. Just wanted to show Parros is a league wide loser.

You happen to be collateral damage because @BruinLVGA liked your reply and seems to have a problem with me using an illegal hit against Travis Dermott that should have also been a suspension under Parros and it was not.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

You happen to be collateral damage because @BruinLVGA liked your reply and seems to have a problem with me using an illegal hit against Travis Dermott that should have also been a suspension under Parros and it was not.

No problem and it looks like the Leafs are being screwed from your stat. At the same time the Bruins are not actually benefiting in any way. In fact they pay the price a lot. No one will believe it but as a fan I see it all the time. Just the way it is but Parros needs to go and Kane is still a punk but right in this case. For the record I thought Chara should have got a game but Lauzon should have got nothing with Crouse getting off free.

 

[yeaher]

Kane is an absolute twat

 

[Anglesmith]

You keep saying perceived....it's not perceived, it is in fact inconsistent

The DoPS is judging things that are inherently qualitative. Elbowing someone in the head is a penalty in the rules in all circumstances, but is only elevated to a suspension by qualitative considerations such as degree of violence and intent. Given that degree of violence and intent are not quantitative assessments, it is completely normal for different people to come to different views, and order incidents differently according to these criteria. The concept of inconsistency can't really be applied to something like this. Think of it like this:

Incident A and Incident B happen in the same week. We can group people into three groups based on whether they think A is worse than B, B is worse than A, or that the two incidents were exactly the same in terms of the qualitative criteria that factors into supplemental discipline. If Incident A received a 2 game suspension, what decision can the DoPS make that will not be seen as "inconsistent" by two out of the three groups?

This is simply the nature of the rules in the NHL. If they make any elbow to the head, whether a love tap or attempted murder, a flat X-game suspension, that is a far worse and far less fair system. I just want people to think about whether the nature of this type of criticism is fair.

I do not always come to the same conclusion on my own about DoPS rulings, but I do think that their approach to their job right now is exactly what it is meant to be. That we have different opinions on qualitative assessments is neither surprising nor meaningful in the long run.

 

[BruinLVGA]

1 I was using it as an example of how Parros is horrible at his job and there is no consistency. 2 However I see you have no problem with this reply about an illegal hit on McAvoy that wasn't given a suspension since you liked that reply.

1. "Plus no players have been suspended for illegal hits against the Maple Leafs since 2013 which is the longest streak in the NHL".

This says instead that you were trying to make it about the Leafs, with a "poor me" type of argument.
One could almost hear : it was THAT blatant.

2. I liked that as an example of how Parros is horrible at his job and there's no consistency. Would you say that you agree with this line of thought? Had that poster written a tears-inducing, boo-hooing sentence about how the Bruins are mistreated by the league - like you did - I would not have liked it.

 

[Levie]

He's not wrong. I think he deserves a suspension.

But Lucic did the same exact hit as Kane on Ferraro two games in a row and didn't even get a hearing. Parros refuses to suspend players that injure or are dangerous to Sharks players. No surprise he hated the Sharks when he was with the Ducks.

 

[LeafsNation75]

No problem and it looks like the Leafs are being screwed from your stat. At the same time the Bruins are not actually benefiting in any way. In fact they pay the price a lot. No one will believe it but as a fan I see it all the time. Just the way it is but Parros needs to go and Kane is still a punk but right in this case. For the record I thought Chara should have got a game but Lauzon should have got nothing with Crouse getting off free.

Honestly I hope no Leafs players are given illegal hits that will injure them and cause them to miss games. However when you see the video of Dermott getting hit like that it's hard to believe no players have been suspended for hits like that against them since 2013.

 

[BruinLVGA]

You happen to be collateral damage because @BruinLVGA liked your reply and seems to have a problem with me using an illegal hit against Travis Dermott that should have also been a suspension under Parros and it was not.

Maybe you should read my reply to that post of yours...

 

[McFlyingV]

I love this. He's 100% correct and I'm glad somebody finally called out this joke of a league. Now all we're missing is someone calling out the way the game is officiated in the same way.

 

[LeafsNation75]

1. "Plus no players have been suspended for illegal hits against the Maple Leafs since 2013 which is the longest streak in the NHL".

This says instead that you were trying to make it about the Leafs, with a "poor me" type of argument.
One could almost hear : it was THAT blatant.

2. I liked that as an example of how Parros is horrible at his job and there's no consistency. Would you say that you agree with this line of thought? Had that poster written a tears-inducing, boo-hooing sentence about how the Bruins are mistreated by the league - like you did - I would not have liked it.

It was a combination of that hit on Dermott which should have resulted in Okposo being suspended and it's still a fact that when illegal hits have been done against any Leafs players, those haven't resulted in suspensions against them since 2013.

 

[aufheben]

Sharks really lucking out recently.

lol @ "MY STATEMENT:" like it's some political scandal.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Honestly I hope no Leafs players are given illegal hits that will injure them and cause them to miss games. However when you see the video of Dermott getting hit like that it's hard to believe no players have been suspended for hits like that against them since 2013.

I agree hate to see that stuff, here is the Crouse hit on McAvoy and only a minor penalty.


This is the Kane one and it looks bad

 

[BruinLVGA]

It was a combination of that hit on Dermott which should have resulted in Okposo being suspended and it's still a fact that when illegal hits have been done against any Leafs players, those haven't resulted in suspensions against them since 2013.

Whoosh.

 

[Barrie22]

The DoPS is judging things that are inherently qualitative. Elbowing someone in the head is a penalty in the rules in all circumstances, but is only elevated to a suspension by qualitative considerations such as degree of violence and intent. Given that degree of violence and intent are not quantitative assessments, it is completely normal for different people to come to different views, and order incidents differently according to these criteria. The concept of inconsistency can't really be applied to something like this. Think of it like this:

Incident A and Incident B happen in the same week. We can group people into three groups based on whether they think A is worse than B, B is worse than A, or that the two incidents were exactly the same in terms of the qualitative criteria that factors into supplemental discipline. If Incident A received a 2 game suspension, what decision can the DoPS make that will not be seen as "inconsistent" by two out of the three groups?

This is simply the nature of the rules in the NHL. If they make any elbow to the head, whether a love tap or attempted murder, a flat X-game suspension, that is a far worse and far less fair system. I just want people to think about whether the nature of this type of criticism is fair.

I do not always come to the same conclusion on my own about DoPS rulings, but I do think that their approach to their job right now is exactly what it is meant to be. That we have different opinions on qualitative assessments is neither surprising nor meaningful in the long run.

That is all absolute bull. Kane showed 2 clips that had much far worse intent in them and level of violence in the plays that got 0 games. So he doesn't even keep up with his own set of perameters on plays like this.

The more likely reasoning is parros is a f***ing brain dead goon that still can't tell the difference between right and wrong.

 

[LOFIN]

I know this might be a crazy idea but hear me out - maybe they shouldn't hire former goons as heads of DoPS?

Some part of me thinks that DoPS didn't punish Lindgren from his hit on Donskoi just because Kadri kicked the shit out of him. I mean, probably for Parros, justice was served right there and that was the end of it.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Kane is a scum bag he doesn’t get a say

 

[LeafsNation75]

I agree hate to see that stuff, here is the Crouse hit on McAvoy and only a minor penalty.


This is the Kane one and it looks bad

At least Crouse got a minor penalty, where as Okposo didn't even get that and Buffalo scored a goal seconds later making it even worse.