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likea said:your a mod, can I see proof of what you state or a link saying that it is true???
Right after the second question.
http://nhlcbanews.com/dalymail/daly_mailbag111504.html
likea said:your a mod, can I see proof of what you state or a link saying that it is true???
Finnigan said:
PitkanenPower said:Source?
OTTSENS said:Tell me what good it is to get cost certainty if you destroy the league getting it?
likea said:I have seen that
I want to know how he knows they were presented to the union in the same form....
just because they didn't lin k their entire proposal like the NHLPA did doesn't mean they presented them in 1 paragraph each...
Egil said:The length of those proposals is irrelevent. The short discriptions on the website are more than sufficient to give the union an understanding of what they would entail. If the Union had shown interest in these AT ALL (which of course it did not), then they could be expanded upon and details ironed out. Just as we don't see proposals now, you don't need proposals then either. Discussion of the issues is what drives the process, not paying a bunch of lawyers to write in 200 pages of legalese. The PA proposal, with the rollback, is easily summarized in a page, and, for all intents and purposes, could have easily been submitted to the NHL as such.
This "not a full proposal" crap is just that, crap. If their had been interest from the PA to any of those 6 ideas from the NHL, we would not be here today.
John Flyers Fan said:http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/2004/11/23/727468.html
Everything, up to this point, has been one-sided," said Guerin. "We've made proposals and we've been willing to talk about doing some things because we know that there are some franchises that need help financially.
"All we've heard from Gary is this stance: 'Salary cap, salary cap, salary cap.' We've given them well-thought-out proposals and he's not willing to negotiate. What we've gotten back is just ridiculous. We presented a proposal with hundreds of pages of fine details. What we got back is six concepts and the longest one may have been 230 words and some were 30 words. You know what that is? That's no effort. (Bettman) is not being serious."
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This article was right around Thanksgiving.
Since the the NHLPA submitted a proposal of 200+ pages, and the NHL came back with their first legit fully thought out proposal, containing the hard salary cap.
None of the 6 ideas the NHL put forth has been written out extensively.
Go Flames Go said:Even I will admit some of the stuff the NHL offered was out of this world.
Bettman needs to be more hard like David Stern his idol.
Which Michael Jordan did for him. Things aren't looking so good in the NBA now.John Flyers Fan said:If Bettman needs to learn anything from Stern it would be MARKETING.
mooseOAK said:According to Daly the league has been trying to discuss proposals since 2001 and the union resisted and didn't submit anything until that first 200 page one. It was obviously a ploy on the NHLPA's part to wait until what they thought was the last minute and submit something that the owners out of desperation would accept. Oops!
John Flyers Fan said:If the NHL was ever serious about any of the other ideas, they should have been put on paper, to show how they would work. Much easier to go off numbers and figures than just an idea.
mooseOAK said:Which Michael Jordan did for him. Things aren't looking so good in the NBA now.
John Flyers Fan said:The NHLPA had no interest in a hard cap, yet the NHL had no problem creating a legit proposal around a hard cap & 24% rollback.
If the NHL was ever serious about any of the other ideas, they should have been put on paper, to show how they would work. Much easier to go off numbers and figures than just an idea.
It's going to be expensive, especially since these would be 1 way tickets.barnburner said:I'll be glad to drive them both to the airport and buy their tickets to Iraq.
Off topic, but cool avatar. Who is Bonvie scrapping with from the Sabres.bhawk24bob said:some of you people amaze me. do you realize he's putting himself in position to bargain?
Ill go 50-50 on the tickets with ya.barnburner said:I'll be glad to drive them both to the airport and buy their tickets to Iraq.
Amen to that, the NHL marketing from a league standpoint is a flat out joke.John Flyers Fan said:If Bettman needs to learn anything from Stern it would be MARKETING.
Who do they have to market on a league-wide basis? All the NBA has to do is say Lebron James will be on TV this weekend and instant ratings increase. Doing that doesn't take some kind of marketing genius.John Flyers Fan said:The NBA marketed the hell out of the Celtics, Lakers, Magic, Bird, Jordan, the Bad Boys, the Dream Team, Shaq, Kobe etc. etc.
Who or what teams does the NHL market, other than ESPN televising the Red Wings any chance they get ???
c-carp said:Amen to that, the NHL marketing from a league standpoint is a flat out joke.
Egil said:But again, the league has been, IMHO, very clear on this. They want a system that will GUARANTEE that player salaries will not exceed a designated % of league revenue. The easiest, crudest and simplest solution is a Hard cap, but it is not the only effective technique to meet their needs. It is in fact the players union that has muddied the waters, as they have called anything the NHL does a "hard cap", even though not everything they have proposed could be considered a hard cap.
mooseOAK said:Who do they have to market on a league-wide basis? All the NBA has to do is say Lebron James will be on TV this weekend and instant ratings increase. Doing that doesn't take some kind of marketing genius.
Bettman has never had a dominant, interesting to watch team in any of the top 3 markets since the '94 Rangers. The Devils despite their success have been painful to watch. In order to market the NHL he needs something to work with and that hasn't been happening. He can't take the Hawks away form Wirtz or solve the Rangers' problems or keep the Kings from getting injured.
Putting NHL teams in non-traditional markets is marketing despite all the whining about it.
In general, Stern's job is a lot easier that Bettman's in terms of promoting the league.