Sportsnet: Erik Karlsson opens up about leaving Ottawa (Video)

[aragorn]

Why dissect it to that degree. Its a hockey team.. Every team I have been involved with as a player or a coach there is a lot of inequality when it comes to skill and ability . If the game is really chippy and physical , the stronger more physical players are more important, when you need a goal , the offensively talented players are more important, when you want to limit the chances of the other team' s better player, the checkers are more important. Its called being a team and accepting your role and accepting other players are going to play in situations better suited to them.. The concept of equality is not about the skill level , its about the belief that everyone is important and no 1 single player can do it on their own, and it takes everyone, in all roles, to get through the season... in that sense everyone is equal.. Its not about rating them by points or any other statistic. Its about going to war together.

You really want the players all to feel that way. If they think its different rules for some than others, then it doesn't feel as much like a team.

Don't salaries have a way of separating players sometimes & those who make the most usually get the most attention as well as more perks on & off the ice? You have to hope that the players making the most are cognizant of that & do as much as they can to include & do things for those players who don't make as much to solidify a team. For example Phaneuf has done a lot for other players while on this team & Stone having Tkachuk living with him & Anderson having Lajoie live with him.

 

[Agent Zub]

I'm more prepared to believe that certain players were jealous and felt they weren't getting proper acknowledgement. Jealousy is a hell of an emotion.


Looking at you Wideman

 

[Karl Prime]

Obviously every team wants to be as deep as possible .. If that's what you took from my point , I think you missed it.
If you spend over 30 million on your Cs are you better having them top heavy or spread more evenly through the lineup.. If you spend that much on your Cs something has to give somewhere. The top heavy is the norm; top 6 3rd line, 4th line.. with more $ going to the top 6 and as it is the norm it is what we have historically seen win. Its just an idea I am throwing out there . If you had a 2c and 3 2/3 tweeners that are good 2way players for say 21-22 million .. you could be deeper and better in a few other positions in the lineup. It would depend on the personnel. My pt initially was all about depth . The 2nd post was a response based based on my first post and was not meant to be taken in isolation.

I get ya.

I guess an example would be the 02-04 Sens Sens that had Bonk, White, and Fisher down the middle (good not great) but had Hossa, Alfie, and Havlat on the wings, with Redden, Chara, Phillips, and Volchenkov at the back.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Its just as hard to collect good depth.. so having it as a strategy may not be the best idea. Keep the best players you can ..

For sure, as we've seen first hand with the Senators, quality depth priced right can be hard to find.

I just think that a team with star power that lacks depth, could still end up winning it all. Whereas a team with no real star talent, will lose before the dance is over no matter how much depth they have.

This is all way too simplistic though, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[Bluesguru]

Chris Wideman saying that is absolutely rich. Since we have all heard the Wideman rumors about how he is.

Can you give some examples?

 

[Back in Black]

Don't even miss him......

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Can you give some examples?

Can't find the reddit thread, just people regaling stories about interacting with Wideman on there, people who say they are employees too. I believe @BonkTastic has talked with employees about him as well, but I could be wrong.

So yes, it would be considered gossip, but its not like we havent listened to lots of Karlsson gossip all year anyway.

 

[Bluesguru]

Can't find the reddit thread, just people regaling stories about interacting with Wideman on there, people who say they are employees too. I believe @BonkTastic has talked with employees about him as well, but I could be wrong.

So yes, it would be considered gossip, but its not like we havent listened to lots of Karlsson gossip all year anyway.

Thanks

 

[JD1]

That's not true though. Chabot is more important than the other 5. That's just the way it is. Most teams in the league have a #1 D-man that is the most important and gets the most responsibility.

I think your completely missing the point Wideman is making

 

[JD1]

Chris Wideman saying that is absolutely rich. Since we have all heard the Wideman rumors about how he is.

living in the states you must be well connected with the local rumour mill. what have you heard?

 

[JD1]

Please don’t speculate about the locker room or pass around any info about players without solenckncrete evidence.

uhmmm....isn't that what you just did a few posts ago?

 

[Ray Kinsella]

I didn't really read the thread but from some quotes it seems like there's been a bit of development here. I don't know, it sounds like a Subban situation where his ego was too big for the room and wasn't well liked by everyone. But to what the point is the question? It's impossible to make the unanimity.

At least Sens didn't trade EK for an older oft injured declining player

EK was emotional and sometimes overreacted and even cursed after his teammates




But from that video, it seems that he was still in good terms with Brassard after it happened. Erik is a cool guy and seems to get along with people. Of course he is cocky and has a big ego, he's a star. But I still think he is capable of getting along with others.



I don't know, very hard to say about all this, we have so little info and we don't know what goes on behind the walls.

Note : Damn the youtube comments, makes HF look like a geniuses congress

The video on "are you f***ing kidding me" was at the referri. I remember watching that and also wondered who he was yelling it to. But, if you watch the play, it was directed at the referri.

 

[Ray Kinsella]

All we keep hearing from the players is that there's a ton of emphasis by the players to involve everyone in everything. Last year, we had a couple of the guys go on a fishing trip during pre-season in PEI (Phaneuf, Karlsson, etc.). This year, they did the WHOLE team go to Tremblant, they had a golf competition that involved the WHOLE team. Stone bought tickets to Justin Timberlake for the WHOLE team. It's pretty obvious this was a problem based on how they're trying really really hard to do the opposite this year.

Even the rooming.... We have Tkachuk living with Stone and his GF; We have Lajoie living with the Andersons. They're really going above and beyond to make the kids part of the team with the vets instead of having the kids rooming with eachother and becoming a clique of their own.

The rookies living with veterans is not a new thing though. It happens in all teams.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

uhmmm....isn't that what you just did a few posts ago?

Yes.

 

[Ray Kinsella]

I think Wideman needs to take into consideration 90% of the league wouldn't offer him a contract when he hits free agency when he wants to try and talk about a player at EKs level and talk about egos.

Funny... it reminds of this time I was watching a music show of some sort, back when Michael Bublé was just starting off. He was interviewed shortly after or before a song and... whatever led to that, he made some really strange, sarcastic, condescending remard about David Bowie. I mean... come on! LOL

 

[JD1]

Yes.

so how is your speculation different than someone else's?

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

so how is your speculation different than someone else's?

He said not to use gossip after I posted about Wideman. I said that's fair enough I hope he will hold all future posts to that standard then.

I think you're mis-reading the order of events.

 

[Ray Kinsella]

Yes.

LOL

 

[DueDiligence]

Funny... it reminds of this time I was watching a music show of some sort, back when Michael Bublé was just starting off. He was interviewed shortly after or before a song and... whatever led to that, he made some really strange, sarcastic, condescending remard about David Bowie. I mean... come on! LOL

Buble is a far better singer than Bowie.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Buble is a far better singer than Bowie.

and everyone thinks that

 

[DueDiligence]

and everyone thinks that

I compared singing not performing!

 

[Ray Kinsella]

Buble is a far better singer than Bowie.

Personal choice. But, I think you missed my point.

 

[DueDiligence]

Personal choice. But, I think you missed my point.

No I didn't; just having some fun!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I compared singing not performing!

my Mother would have agreed I suppose. Sbe was a big Andy Williams fan. Pat Boone was another popular crooner ...definitely not in my wheelhouse.

 

[DueDiligence]

my Mother would have agreed I suppose. Sbe was a big Andy Williams fan. Pat Boone was another popular crooner ...definitely not in my wheelhouse.

Bowie was more of a performer aka Ziggy Stardust. Freddie Mercury was a great singer and performer