Confirmed with Link: Erik Gudbranson has been traded to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Tanner Pearson

[Canucks5551]

You guys miss him now? Kreider wouldn't have done that if he was in the lineup.

Gudbranson being in the lineup sure didn’t stop Matheson from injuring Pettersson with a dirty hit. The only time I saw Gudbranson go after someone for a hit was when he was the one getting hit.

 

[groov2]

'Replacement' player plays well on a contending team..weird?

Not particularly. A contending team can shelter a bad player. People seem to easily forget that he was consistently the worst player on the ice for the Canucks. I can't believe this thread is still on the first page.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Where's the source on that? If you re-read the post you quoted above, the @rocketchu wrote "I always read the 2nd and 4th as a pure hypothetical from imac" - that's his interpretation on it, not necessarily what is actually true.

It's true, it's right in IMac's original article, and it was the first google result:

"But if the choice – the main choice because this is a many-tentacled issue – was between re-signing Gudbranson, 26, or trading him for, say, second- and fourth-round draft picks, then the Canucks made the right call."

To anyone without an emotional stake in this, it's obvious in context the two picks were hypothetical. There's no way he would have constructed the sentence that way otherwise. Botchford, despite presumably having understood this, then repeated it as a "rumour" and began to block anyone on Twitter who tried to point out it came from MacIntyre's speculation, and disputed claims there was no source:

 

[WHISTLERNATE]

You guys miss him now? Kreider wouldn't have done that if he was in the lineup.

You guys miss him now? Kreider wouldn't have done that if he was in the lineup.

Gudbranson was the softest tough guy in the league. He never fought, he never stood up for guys. He talked about it, and never did S***. The line that he provided any type of grit comes from people who never watched a second of him on the ice. He may have skated after guys who took liberties on our players, but was too slow to catch them.

 

[MS]

It's true, it's right in IMac's original article, and it was the first google result:

"But if the choice – the main choice because this is a many-tentacled issue – was between re-signing Gudbranson, 26, or trading him for, say, second- and fourth-round draft picks, then the Canucks made the right call."

To anyone without an emotional stake in this, it's obvious in context the two picks were hypothetical. There's no way he would have constructed the sentence that way otherwise. Botchford, despite presumably having understood this, then repeated it as a "rumour" and began to block anyone on Twitter who tried to point out it came from MacIntyre's speculation, and disputed claims there was no source:

That’s an oddly specific proposal for a ‘hypothetical’, especially coming from someone as joined at the hip to management as McIntyre.

 

[bandwagonesque]

That’s an oddly specific proposal for a ‘hypothetical’, especially coming from someone as joined at the hip to management as McIntyre.

You people are like the T-800 terminator, still crawling desperately toward John Connor after being crushed by a hyrdaulic press. No, it's not "oddly" specific. It's pretty much as specific as a succinctly expressed hypothetical trade scenario with a ballpark value that fits with the narrative would need to be. This rumour very obviously came from nothing. You can accept that and still hold any other belief you want -- you just might have to work slightly harder or be slightly more flexible to hold it.

 

[me2]

You people are like the T-800 terminator, still crawling desperately toward John Connor after being crushed by a hyrdaulic press. No, it's not "oddly" specific. It's pretty much as specific as a succinctly expressed hypothetical trade scenario with a ballpark value that fits with the narrative would need to be. This rumour very obviously came from nothing. You can accept that and still hold any other belief you want -- you just might have to work slightly harder or be slightly more flexible to hold it.

Gudbranson is crap, I doubt Jim could have gotten a 4th for him let alone a 2nd+4th. What a brutal trade for a player everybody with a brain knew would fail.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

You people are like the T-800 terminator, still crawling desperately toward John Connor after being crushed by a hyrdaulic press. No, it's not "oddly" specific. It's pretty much as specific as a succinctly expressed hypothetical trade scenario with a ballpark value that fits with the narrative would need to be. This rumour very obviously came from nothing. You can accept that and still hold any other belief you want -- you just might have to work slightly harder or be slightly more flexible to hold it.

It doesn't even matter if the rumor is true or not. If Benning couldn't even get a 2nd round pick for what he thought was a $4M defenseman, the decision to extend him is even stupider.

 

[VanJack]

As the song lyrics from 'The Gambler" go, "You gotta know when to hold 'em and know when to throw em." And that's my big complaint with Benning.

Every GM in the league has botched a trade or two. Brian Burke admits he could fill a small volume with the ones that went wrong.

But it just seems to me that Jimbo and Canucks consistently 'double down' on the original mistake, by re-signing guys like Gudbranson, Sutter, Sibisa and Dorsett to ridiculous contract extensions. It's as if they somehow believe that if they re-sign these guys to new contracts with term, by some miracle they'll become better players.

 

[bandwagonesque]

It doesn't even matter if the rumor is true or not. If Benning couldn't even get a 2nd round pick for what he thought was a $4M defenseman, the decision to extend him is even stupider.

Again -- it very clearly wasn't a rumour at all, true or otherwise. I'm not taking issue with Gudbranson's valuation or defending Benning. I'm trying to get at the doublethink on this board where otherwise apparently intelligent posters like MS deliberately believe or at least desire to believe things they know aren't true because it supports a general view they hold.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Gudbranson is crap, I doubt Jim could have gotten a 4th for him let alone a 2nd+4th. What a brutal trade for a player everybody with a brain knew would fail.

This has nothing to do with the point being discussed, but you're probably right.

 

[mathonwy]

 

[Phenomenon13]

Again -- it very clearly wasn't a rumour at all, true or otherwise. I'm not taking issue with Gudbranson's valuation or defending Benning. I'm trying to get at the doublethink on this board where otherwise apparently intelligent posters like MS deliberately believe or at least desire to believe things they know aren't true because it supports a general view they hold.

I've listened to the interviews with botchford on patcast, it doesn't seem like a hypothetical. He very clearly says other teams wanted to give a 2nd+. I believe miles wood was the other rumour.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

You guys miss him now? Kreider wouldn't have done that if he was in the lineup.

You must really put a lot of work into being wrong so often. Perhaps you'd care to explain how his presence didn't stop Pettersson from getting a dirty hit from Matheson.

 

[M2Beezy]

Is this just a streak hes on? I dont get it, we all saw an awful awful awful dman here and now he seems to be doing good in Pittsburgh. Was his crappiness part of our poorly put together team and coaching? Or is this just a crappy player put in a Better setting and taking advtg of it but may be temporary? Kinda not getting this, but at the same time glad hes off the team as he was really THAT bad

 

[bandwagonesque]

I've listened to the interviews with botchford on patcast, it doesn't seem like a hypothetical. He very clearly says other teams wanted to give a 2nd+. I believe miles wood was the other rumour.

I'll explain this again. There may very well be other "rumours" mentioned by or originating from Botchford. I'm not talking about any of them. I'm talking about this:

Ian MacIntyre speculated about a hypothetical return for Gudbranson, and made it clear he was speculating. Botchford reported that speculation as a rumour. When people realized after repeating the rumour that it was in fact speculation and clearly presented as speculation by its source, people tried to figure out some way of believing that it was actually a credible rumour instead of admitting to themselves that it wasn't. This is bizarre and unproductive behaviour.

 

[Phenomenon13]

You must really put a lot of work into being wrong so often. Perhaps you'd care to explain how his presence didn't stop Pettersson from getting a dirty hit from Matheson.

Obviously its cause you haven't used advanced analytics to dissect the gudbranson effect!


Without gudbranson:
Petterson is 1/7 on cheapshots

With gudbranson:
Petterson is 1/52 on cheapshots

It's clear gudbranson lowers the rate of cheapshots on superstars. Crosby has never felt safer.

 

[mathonwy]

Dishonest player.

Gave zero effs while a Canuck.

Just collected his pay cheques and effed off.

 

[Phenomenon13]

I'll explain this again. There may very well be other "rumours" mentioned by or originating from Botchford. I'm not talking about any of them. I'm talking about this:

Ian MacIntyre speculated about a hypothetical return for Gudbranson, and made it clear he was speculating. Botchford reported that speculation as a rumour. When people realized after repeating the rumour that it was in fact speculation and clearly presented as speculation by its source, people tried to figure out some way of believing that it was actually a credible rumour instead of admitting to themselves that it wasn't. This is bizarre and unproductive behaviour.

I'll have to agree then. There's too much in terms of timing and specificity to say it didnt come from I mac speculation. Factoring in the question mark of botchford tweet I feel hes didn't get this from a source within the organization.

 

[Pip]

You guys miss him now? Kreider wouldn't have done that if he was in the lineup.

You can’t be serious. Pettersson (along with Baertschi and Stecher) have taken cheap shots this year with Gud on the team

 

[Pip]

Ryan Miller was a better enforcer than Gudbranson

 

[TruGr1t]

It would be epic if this guy wins a Cup.

 

[passive voice]

You guys miss him now? Kreider wouldn't have done that if he was in the lineup.

How's Kreider gonna elbow Petey in the chops if he's too busy blowing by Gudbranson for a scoring chance

 

[Intangibos]

It would be epic if this guy wins a Cup.

If that happens McCann might put up a Conn Smythe performance

 

[Motte and Bailey]

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