Eller's Arbitration

[JusticeBeaver]

Depends. If that's their offer and they know full well that they'll eventually move up halfway to meet Eller in negotiations, that's one thing. If they truly think that's his worth, we're in trouble.

I've kinda already accepted the possibility that Eller will be leaving this summer. MT/Bergevin never seemed to have a great opinion of him.

I remember him having his growing pains, in MB's first year, but I believe that Eller has moved up in their rankings since then.

And when I looked at the video from the awards to try and prove my point MB only mentioned Galchenyuk, Gallagher and PK as young guys who stepped up, but he also said he could go on and on about other players.

 

[Mrb1p]

That's above Kreider money....

Eller is about 10 times the player Kreider is.

Besides, what is the freaking obsession with Kreider on this board ? Hes an average player that wouldnt have played on game in our system

 

[Gustave]

Bergevin isn't going to offer a ton for Eller. He offers low, because he wants low contracts to keep his cap space to presumably add no one.

Like a Vanek at the deadline. It's good to have some room. Let's not act like having all your cap used up like the Devils of 5 years ago is a picnic. Carrying 18 players , not being able to call up players from the AHL, etc.

 

[Pierre Dagenais]

Bergevin isn't going to offer a ton for Eller. He offers low, because he wants low contracts to keep his cap space to presumably add no one.

How do you know he isn't adding anybody?

 

[Price is Wright]

Eller is about 10 times the player Kreider is.

Someone show the NYR board this. We can laugh with them.

 

[Gustave]

Eller is about 10 times the player Kreider is.

Besides, what is the freaking obsession with Kreider on this board ? Hes an average player that wouldnt have played on game in our system

1- It's a reference point.
2- I'm not obsessed with Kreider.
3- 10 times the player? Let's not get carried away here.
4- He would've played the full season and the playoffs here.

 

[Mrb1p]

Someone show the NYR board this. We can laugh with them.

Tell me more. Tell me about how Kreider is fast and big.

That 40 points he had this year was amazing, right ?

 

[Runner77]

Either sign and trade or sign and keep, no arbitration.

I see it more as a matter of the Habs securing term, regardless whether it's by avoiding an arbitration hearing or the parties bridging their differences after a hearing. We would all like for no hearing to take place, however, we've seen parties in confrontational positions arrive at negotiated settlements before, for far less stake than separates Eller and the Habs.

If Eller is not willing to commit beyond his RFA years, assuming Bergevin makes market offers, then the Habs could be left holding the proverbial bag. If Eller is not signed long-term by the start of the season, he should be shopped, especially that he's coming off a pretty good playoff performance.

 

[Price is Wright]

Tell me more. Tell me about how Kreider is fast and big.

That 40 points he had this year was amazing, right ?

Eller: 13 points in 17 playoff games
Kreider: 13 points in 15 playoff games

Eller's first 85 games: 19 points
Kreider's first 89 games: 40 points

But Eller (25) is 10 times the player Kreider (23) is?

 

[Runner77]

Eller: 13 points in 17 playoff games
Kreider: 13 points in 15 playoff games

Eller's first 85 games: 19 points
Kreider's first 89 games: 40 points

But Eller (25) is 10 times the player Kreider (23) is?

Cue in the porn star logic and mash potatoes bit.

 

[Et le But]

Well, at least we know whose position Galchenyuk is taking at C now.

 

[Mrb1p]

Well, at least we know whose position Galchenyuk is taking at C now.

Dumb price to pay for that... Its crazy how polarizing this management can be. Good decisions, bad decisions.

 

[GoodKiwi]

Eller is about 10 times the player Kreider is.

Besides, what is the freaking obsession with Kreider on this board ? Hes an average player that wouldnt have played on game in our system

Stop embarrassing yourself already. I still remember how you stated that Kreider is a "depth player".

 

[417]

Ha ha ha ha. Bergevin offering 1.6M to Eller. Saw that one coming from about 10 miles aways.

Anyone still think I'm crazy saying that 6x6.5M is what's on the table for Subban?

So you're suggesting the Habs should of went with their best offer right up front before potentially heading to arbitration huh?

Yeah...makes total sense

 

[WeThreeKings]

Dumb price to pay for that... Its crazy how polarizing this management can be. Good decisions, bad decisions.

Exactly its like.. Our pro scouting is getting netter with moves like weise and weaver..
But then they signed briere..

Our contracts are good look at price and patches..
But then there's desharnais.. And the Eller and subban situation..

 

[Et le But]

Kreider is arguably the most overrated player in the NHL after these playoffs...but he's clearly a better offensive player than Eller.

 

[417]

Dumb price to pay for that... Its crazy how polarizing this management can be. Good decisions, bad decisions.

I don't understand what the issue is here??? We're the Habs supposed to come in at a number that they can't move off from right away??

Obviously, they're going to have to pay more than 1.6M...they know this

Just like Eller knows he's not getting 3.1M either...

 

[Price is Wright]

Kreider is arguably the most overrated player in the NHL after these playoffs...but he's clearly a better offensive player than Eller.

I agree with him getting overrated, though I can understand why. Has serious wheels for his size and was injuring goalies with no repurcussions. Who doesn't want that?

But the argument was if Eller was 10 times better than Kreider. Not if they were equal, but if Lars Eller is 10 times better. Ten times.

 

[MD thaivuN]

Just like Eller knows he's not getting 3.1M either...

im surprised he didnt use Briere and bourque as comparison and ask for 3.5-4M+ lol

 

[S Bah]

It's hard to imagine the Habs getting past the Bruins in last yrs. playoffs without Eller playing the hard minutes his line was, along with outscoring their competition,IMHO. Eller is the type of grinding center the Habs don't have an abundance of in the system, players like Lars are in high demand in these days of parity.

 

[Kriss E]

I see it more as a matter of the Habs securing term, regardless whether it's by avoiding an arbitration hearing or the parties bridging their differences after a hearing. We would all like for no hearing to take place, however, we've seen parties in confrontational positions arrive at negotiated settlements before, for far less stake than separates Eller and the Habs.

If Eller is not willing to commit beyond his RFA years, assuming Bergevin makes market offers, then the Habs could be left holding the proverbial bag. If Eller is not signed long-term by the start of the season, he should be shopped, especially that he's coming off a pretty good playoff performance.

I don't think either side is willing to commit long term here.
Eller certainly shouldn't be for it looking at how he's been used and the lack of opportunities he gets in top 6. I mean, he still doesn't even get much PP time. If they don't intend on using him differently, I don't know why he'd want to commit long term here.

From Habs perspective, Eller hasn't proven enough.

 

[Habsawce]

Remember how dominant the kid line was early last yaer before bonehead broke them up for no reason? Eller was a huge reason for that with his terrific defensive awareness and ability to carry the puck through the neutral zone.

Personally I want Desharnais gone and Plekanec to slide down to the #3 spot and play extensively defensive situations to allow Galchenyuk and Eller to thrive offensively at the center position.

 

[llamateizer]

im surprised he didnt use Briere and bourque as comparison and ask for 3.5-4M+ lol

because he can't

 

[Le Tricolore]

Eller is worth no where close to 3.1 yet, but is worth more than 1.65

Just meet in the middle and sign. kthx.

 

[Sorinth]

I don't understand what the issue is here??? We're the Habs supposed to come in at a number that they can't move off from right away??

Obviously, they're going to have to pay more than 1.6M...they know this

Just like Eller knows he's not getting 3.1M either...

I'm not sure you understand the arbitration process. They submitted 1.6m to the arbitrator, they then make the case that Eller deserves 1.6m and will use whatever stats and comparables they have to make the case that Eller only deserves 1.6m.

Eller will do the same thing making the case he deserves 3.1m.

The arbitrator then makes a decision. And the habs choose to accept it or not, there's no moving off the number they gave, there's no negotiation where you start low and meet in the middle. All that remains is both sides making the case for their number. If they went in super low hoping the arbitrator simply picks a number in the middle that's incredibly dumb and will be seen through by the arbitrator.

All that being said it's possible Bergevin has offered Eller more than the 1.6 and any such offers can't be used in the arbitration but there's very little reason to come in with a number that you can't justify.