Speculation: Eichel Mega Thread II

[nbducksfan19]

Um.. do people not understand that Eichel needs to pass a physical for the trade to go through or else it’ll be rejected be the league?

People would rather believe live in conspiracy land where the sabres can pull a fast one and trade damaged goods for a haul, and then do an evil laugh.

 

[sasha barkov]

Buffalo is going to get much less than what people may expect

 

[Parm]

I offer 5 unconditional 1st round picks (Habs) for Eichel. Could be 5 lottery picks, who knows! Habs drafting history sucks, might as well give it to a team that might do very well with our picks.

he’s not gonna get traded cause of his injury history and teams doesn’t even has his medical also
If rangers trade for him it would be strome and first this year and conditional 3rd next year will turn in to first if rangers win a cup

 

[sasha barkov]

Certain he lands in Anaheim . Buffalo wants 3 OA bad

 

[rynryn]

Um.. do people not understand that Eichel needs to pass a physical for the trade to go through or else it’ll be rejected be the league?

there's timing to consider. MIN for example would have to move some things to make this work or refrain from certain signings or change term/cap hit. Also cleared to play doesn't necessarily mean "good as new".

 

[bsu]

Um.. do people not understand that Eichel needs to pass a physical for the trade to go through or else it’ll be rejected be the league?

Um... do you realize he could pass the physical but this injury could linger... or lead to another injury after being deemed "healthy" We are talking about a neck injury here not a finger.

 

[5 Minute Major]

with respect, buffalo management doesnt really seem competent in any form or fashion, so who really knows.

Come on.

 

[cramdizzl]

Because a team doesn’t know what a serious offer is until they know the condition of the player. A serious offer for a house with no issues at all is very different from an offer for a house that needs new plumbing, has a black mold issue, and needs to be rewired because it has 1920’s wiring.

So they change or pull their offer if his condition is not what they hoped. Where's the issue?

 

[Arthuros]

So they change or pull their offer if his condition is not what they hoped. Where's the issue?

Eichel's condition isn't a binary scale...of course it's in any bidding team's interest to know exactly what is going on with him, as opposed to simplifying it to "healthy" or "not what we hoped".

Buffalo is playing this shrewdly, and it's certainly not in their interest to let anyone know what Eichel's condition is. But given the blind bidding, of course we have to assume the worst to avoid overpaying and that's all there is to it.

 

[The don godfather]

Certain he lands in Anaheim . Buffalo wants 3 OA bad

Yep buffalo is swirling like flies on a pail of cow dung on it. Hes going there.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Correct.
Sorry BBA. Pls note above post + reply.
An okay base in surplus currency + CONDITIONAL picks IS a fair offer for Rangers, and it actually IS fair because it is true to actual Eichel current status.
The nanosecond that status changes, then to remain fair, my offer needs to go up or down accordingly.
But that will be then.
My offer is now, and accurate for now.

It's not accurate, nor fair. You are making an offer that puts 100% of the risk on the Sabres by giving up a guy that is a UFA in a year (that NYR won't likely re-sign) and conditional picks.

I agree with your statement above, that the Ranger's shouldn't trade for Eichel if he's not healthy, and that's a fine statement to make, but to make a bad offer (sorry Bern, your offer is bad) doesn't make any sense for Buffalo. I'm a neutral party here and can recognize that.

So it's either don't make an offer, or wait and make an offer later, not "make a bad offer now that eliminates all risk". Buffalo has zero incentive to make a deal like you are stating.

Why are you and others allowing BUF to get away with a false narrative?

not trying to be snide here, but you see my pt?

I'm not buying into any false narrative.
1) I don't think Buffalo will get the return many buffalo fans are requesting on here and in other threads.
2) I recognize that there is a health risk.

I just don't see a situation where Buffalo absorbs all the risk in a trade, otherwise it make more sense just to not trade him. That's how I see it.

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

Eichel to Seattle for ...uh...give me a sec...uh...ok maybe not

 

[PAZ]

i'm assuming HIPAA protections are already waived if records are being offered at all

Oh ya for sure, but it's still not something you make available to anyone that asks unless Eichel explicitly states thats what he wants to do. Even though it's waived, there still a level of privacy that should be held - to me it makes perfect sense they aren't sent until there's an offer that Buffalo can work with.

 

[Ducks DVM]

So they change or pull their offer if his condition is not what they hoped. Where's the issue?

The draft is tomorrow, and teams would want enough time to have their doctors evaluate the records and seek the opinions of specialists in a case like this, and that takes time.

As far as harm, many teams leak information like sieves, and having a player’s name mentioned in a trade proposal can damage the franchise’s relationship with that player(s). A well run team has a reasonable expectation of knowing what they’re bidding on before potentially damaging relationships with their players.

 

[rynryn]

Oh ya for sure, but it's still not something you make available to anyone that asks unless Eichel explicitly states thats what he wants to do. Even though it's waived, there still a level of privacy that should be held - to me it makes perfect sense they aren't sent until there's an offer that Buffalo can work with.

I don't know if it's true but someone here said Eichel was okay with sharing his records (he's the one that wants out); if that is the case, and Buffalo is trying to find a trading partner, you'd think it would be in all three parties interests if this info is shared with any team interested. That doesn't mean teams requesting the information could further disseminate it.

People have said its not in Buffalo's interest to do this--I'd say it is unless there's something there they think would turn off a suitor. Or they're really not interested in trading him. I wouldn't blame them at all for that if Eichel's prognosis is as good as Buffalo fans here think it is, but if that's the case why bother with this charade? Just appeasing Eichel? Hey, buddy, we tried!

 

[Hockey Gamer]

I really feel like most teams would be fine letting the surgery, recovery, and NMC be buffalo’s problem. No one except buffalo knows if he’s even likely to play this season. If you have to wait until 2022-2023 for Eichel anyway, just wait a year. None of the teams rumored to be interested (except maybe Vegas) are really in any rush at all

Yes, exactly. We all acknowledge Eichel is a superstar player. However, it's bizarre for Buffalo posters to act like their organization is doing the league a favor by offering up a player that "rarely ever becomes tradeable" and that if a team doesn't offer up everything and the kitchen sink, then those teams really missed out. Well, if he's so good and untouchable, then why is he even in trade speculation to begin with? Obviously, his availability has occurred due to extenuating circumstances that aren't common. Thus, his value is no longer constant to the typical model of what you'd think. Otherwise, then Buffalo shouldn't even bring him up for trade discussion and they should pleasantly sit tight with their player... If he's really that great and that much of a lock to be a healthy and motivated player for the future, then just keep him. Take your own advice. Uhhh what's that? You still want to trade him? lol...

1 - Bob Murray isn’t the one saying a deal can get backed out on, my comment was clearly aimed at posters here.

2 - Yes, this is coming across as Buffalo is trying to swindle other teams. Nothing about this situation has been handled well IMO.

2 - Yes, exactly. Buffalo can do two things regarding this. They can either make his records more readily available for interested teams or they can be more resistant and protective of the records. Whether Eichel is truly fine or not, by Buffalo being so resistant, it only raises more questions and concerns from the perspective of a potential trade partner. If Buffalo doesn't have anything to worry about, then they should make the records more available. Otherwise, it only makes teams more suspicious that they're being so hesitant. Maybe Buffalo isn't trying to swindle anyone, that's possible, but it doesn't change the impression of what this gives off. If Buffalo is really confident in his health, they should stand by the records without hesitancy. This is being poorly played on their part. I think Buffalo should just keep him.

 

[cramdizzl]

The draft is tomorrow, and teams would want enough time to have their doctors evaluate the records and seek the opinions of specialists in a case like this, and that takes time.

As far as harm, many teams leak information like sieves, and having a player’s name mentioned in a trade proposal can damage the franchise’s relationship with that player(s). A well run team has a reasonable expectation of knowing what they’re bidding on before potentially damaging relationships with their players.

If the Sabres are serious about getting the #3, then Anaheim will have already seen his medicals at this point. There's nothing to prove that they haven't.

 

[Duck Off]

I’ve said Minnesota is the favorite for months and it still feels that way. Will be interesting considering the cap penalties (and need for guys on ELCs to contribute) to see how it plays out

 

[uncleben]

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