Salary Cap: Ehlers signs 7x6, Nylander signs ?????

[Funk21]

Okay as most of you/myself found out this morning as I did, Ehlers signed a 7x6per deal. Personally I think this is a fantastic deal. I think both Ehlers and Nylander are very comparable. In the wake of this signing and hoping to lock down a core piece of the TML organization moving forward what do you think is reasonable?

8 X6.5 is equitable for both sides IMO.

Thoughts?

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[Mugzy97]

8x7m, better player, longer term

 

[Trapper]

Okay as most of you/myself found out this morning as I did, Ehlers signed a 7x6per deal. Personally I think this is a fantastic deal. I think both Ehlers and Nylander are very comparable. In the wake of this signing and hoping to lock down a core piece of the TML organization moving forward what do you think is reasonable?

8 X6.5 is equitable for both sides IMO.

Thoughts?

Ehlers/Pastrnak are probably good comparisons at present. I'm not sure what the season holds and it's currently not a possibility to take the center position into account.

 

[al secord]

5 question marks?

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

I've been saying 8-6.5 all summer for willie

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

8x7m, better player, longer term

Currently, they are like-kind. If he were to sign today, it should be for roughly the same contract.

 

[hotpaws]

so now they're very comparable because you want Willie to sign for similar money?

LL's done well so far to sign our own guys to reasonable deals (outside of Hyman) but if i'm Nylander i'd bet on myself , play out the year and go for Drais money if not more .

i really like Ehlers but Willies ceiling is much higher imo and while i'd be thrilled if we could sign him for this type of deal i think it'll be a tough sell on the teams part

 

[Walshy7]

5 question marks?

overpay! he is a 4 question mark max player

 

[Cor]

I've always said Nylander and Marner will be in the 6.5-7M range.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

so now they're very comparable because you want Willie to sign for similar money?

LL's done well so far to sign our own guys to reasonable deals (outside of Hyman) but if i'm Nylander i'd bet on myself , play out the year and go for Drais money if not more .

When were they not?

 

[hotpaws]

When were they not?

all i've read on this board on is Willie is the better player with the higher upside , now that we want him to sign a similar deal they're comparable?

 

[MJ65]

$6.5 - $7 for both Nylander and Marner

 

[deletethis]

Ouch regarding that Eichel extension. It's arguable that all of the big 3 are better than Eichel.

 

[Mugzy97]

It's arguable that all of the big 3 are better than Eichel.

No it's not.

 

[Macallan18]

I hope we lock him up now, 8 years, in the 6 to 7 million range.
I think in a few years it will look like a massive bargain.

 

[Walshy7]

No it's not.

Matthews is for sure, but Nylander/Marner are not at best they are at the bottom of Eichels tier where he is at the top

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

on this board all i've read is Willie is the better player with the higher upside now that we want him to sign a comparable deal they're comparable ?

Higher upside I can see, perhaps. However, that is very subjective.

But to date through their age 20 seasons, they are almost the exact same player. Its hard to find such a close 1 for 1. Their age 20 seasons were almost verbatim, with Ehlers being more productive at even strength (albeit with more TOI), Nylander being more productive on the powerplay. Nylander gets the edge in possession numbers.

Anyone indicating that they are not profoundly close is likely biased (in one direction or the other).

 

[deletethis]

No it's not.

You might be right. There is no argument. They're all better:

Matthews: more goals/points as a rookie
Marner: more points at the same age
Nylander: better rookie season

 

[Macallan18]

Higher upside I can see, perhaps. However, that is very subjective.

But to date through their age 20 seasons, they are almost the exact same player. Its hard to find such a close 1 for 1. Their age 20 seasons were almost verbatim, with Ehlers being more productive at even strength (albeit with more TOI), Nylander being more productive on the powerplay. Nylander gets the edge in possession numbers.

Anyone indicating that they are not profoundly close is likely biased (in one direction or the other).

This is true. I think people preferring Nylander see a greater potential upside. I think we haven't seen the best of Willie yet, but I have no clue whether Ehlers has the same potential.
I believe contract signings are based more on performance than speculation, so yes, Nylander should be comparable to others like Ehlers and Pasternak.

 

[hotpaws]

Higher upside I can see, perhaps. However, that is very subjective.

But to date through their age 20 seasons, they are almost the exact same player. Its hard to find such a close 1 for 1. Their age 20 seasons were almost verbatim, with Ehlers being more productive at even strength (albeit with more TOI), Nylander being more productive on the powerplay. Nylander gets the edge in possession numbers.

Anyone indicating that they are not profoundly close is likely biased (in one direction or the other).

I agree but the bias seems to disappear when we want to sign him . It'll be no different than the people who keep saying Marner might be as good or better than Eichel changing there tune when he'S up for a new contract .

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I agree but the bias seems to disappear when we want to sign him . It'll be no different than the people who keep saying Marner might be as good or better than Eichel changing there tune when he'S up for a new contract .

That's just crazy talk.

I understand the annoyance with the eb and flow of people's opinions to suit a given narrative. Best thing you can do is call them out, take their opinion with a grain of salt, and move along.

 

[Steveei]

Nylander is getting atleast 7m a season. No way he is getting less.

 

[FlareKnight]

I agree but the bias seems to disappear when we want to sign him . It'll be no different than the people who keep saying Marner might be as good or better than Eichel changing there tune when he'S up for a new contract .

No, that's just a classic error. If one group of people says something and another group of people says something else, it does not mean that the original group flipped their opinions. Different people have different opinions. Unless you have specific people saying Nylander is better and are now saying he's the same as Ehlers it doesn't mean anything. You are just letting subjective memories play into a storyline.

I think Nylander has a higher ceiling and should end up getting paid more. But it is up to Lou to keep the contracts under control. Can't afford to be as sloppy with money as Edmonton has been.

 

[TOGuy14]

Really depends on his season but I see him being better than Ehlers so I think his deal will be 6.25 or 6.5 minimum. With Ehlers at 6M though, we probably won't have to go over 7 for Willy.

 

[Mess]

That Ehlers deal is gonna be clutch in negotiating with Nylander

Ehlers ($6.0 mil) was taken 1 spot after Willie in the same draft.

Pastrnak ($6.66 mil) also from the same draft.

But I can see Johnny Hockey Gaudreau ($6.75 mil) might be a comparable for both Nylander and Marner.