Recalled/Assigned: Edvinsson, Berggren & others sent to GR

[jkutswings]

Good luck forcing much of anything in the AHL when he was already top 4 in preseason. They don't want him up. They aren't correct in doing so, but I doubt his play in the AHL will be changing anything.

Edvinsson is not yet to the point of having outstanding decision making at ANY speed, so I don't see how you can both assume he would have nothing to work on at AHL speed and assume there he's far enough along to reasonably be able to figure it out at NHL speed.

He has a superb set of skills, but is less mentally prepared for NHL hockey than any Red Wings defenseman not named Oesterle. Give the kid the time he needs for his brain to only be one step behind his body instead of three steps, and then he can finish learning against the big boys.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Not a big fan of Berggren and Veleno being sent down. Veleno is in his D+5 season and didn't look entirely out of place in the NHL last year. You may as well let him move on to a team that will give him a shot. Choosing Suter and Erne over him and Berggren is only done when you've put yourself in a corner with your roster.

Edvinsson's brain isn't ready for the NHL yet, and the pace of the NHL game isn't going to let him learn. He needs a season in the AHL.

 

[SirloinUB]

Imagine how much better Seider could have been if he hadn't wasted that age 19 season in a league so clearly below his abilities. We really screwed that one up.

He obviously didnt learn a thing in the shl because he had played 82 games of pro hockey previously

 

[MBH]

Not a big fan of Berggren and Veleno being sent down. Veleno is in his D+5 season and didn't look entirely out of place in the NHL last year. You may as well let him move on to a team that will give him a shot. Choosing Suter and Erne over him and Berggren is only done when you've put yourself in a corner with your roster.

Edvinsson's brain isn't ready for the NHL yet, and the pace of the NHL game isn't going to let him learn. He needs a season in the AHL.

Yeah. Not happy with Veleno getting sent down at all.

But Yzerman did him in with the signings of Perron and Kubalik.
Give a coach a veteran and they'll take the veteran. That Soderblom made the roster is a big surprise - and I've been a big fan of Elmer's since seeing him in his first 3 on 3 tournament over here.

I still have hope for Veleno, the kid still hasn't put it all together yet.
And he needs to.

In Veleno's case, the AHL isn't going to help him at all.
This isn't Edvinsson coming over and learning the NA style.

At this point, Veleno and Berggren are being held back.
And they've got to do something to prove they belong.
So far, they haven't.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Did i miss something? Did veleno get assisted to GR?

 

[NickH8]

Yeah. Not happy with Veleno getting sent down at all.

But Yzerman did him in with the signings of Perron and Kubalik.
Give a coach a veteran and they'll take the veteran. That Soderblom made the roster is a big surprise - and I've been a big fan of Elmer's since seeing him in his first 3 on 3 tournament over here.

I still have hope for Veleno, the kid still hasn't put it all together yet.
And he needs to.

In Veleno's case, the AHL isn't going to help him at all.
This isn't Edvinsson coming over and learning the NA style.

At this point, Veleno and Berggren are being held back.
And they've got to do something to prove they belong.
So far, they haven't.

That last sentence is key. They're both too good for the AHL, we can all agree on that. Fact of the matter is in camp/preseason neither of them proved they're better than Suter, Soderblom, etc. and they're not guys who'd really benefit from playing on the 4th line. Maybe Veleno but I think the org wants a little more than 4th line center out of him. Erne and Sundqvist have their spots because without them we severely lack physicality and penalty killers.

Bertuzzi - Larkin - Raymond: They didn't beat anyone here
Vrana - Copp - Perron: They didn't beat anyone here
Soderblom - Rasmussen - Sundqvist: They didn't beat Soderblom and Rasmussen, and Sundqvist plays a needed role
Erne - Suter - Kubalik: They didn't beat anyone here and Erne plays a needed role

That being said, I haven't seen anywhere that Veleno has been sent down, so maybe they've got a role for him.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Did i miss something? Did veleno get assisted to GR?

Nope. No news about Veleno being sent down. It's been reported he is on the team.

Like I said before, I give it a few games before Suter's suckage seeps through and he ends up demoted or benched. The guy doesn't really fill any niche. Not good enough for a top 6 spot regularly. Not strong off the puck, and not fast enough for a bottom 6 specialist role. If Fabbri is healthy and plays like he did the last 3 years for Detroit then we have zero need for Suter anymore.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Nope. No news about Veleno being sent down. It's been reported he is on the team.

Like I said before, I give it a few games before Suter's suckage seeps through and he ends up demoted or benched. The guy doesn't really fill any niche. Not good enough for a top 6 spot regularly. Not strong off the puck, and not fast enough for a bottom 6 specialist role. If Fabbri is healthy and plays like he did the last 3 years for Detroit then we have zero need for Suter anymore.

I can see Suter being dealt.

With retention, a team will take him.

The return? Maybe a 3rd.

 

[Henkka]

Nope. No news about Veleno being sent down. It's been reported he is on the team.

Like I said before, I give it a few games before Suter's suckage seeps through and he ends up demoted or benched. The guy doesn't really fill any niche. Not good enough for a top 6 spot regularly. Not strong off the puck, and not fast enough for a bottom 6 specialist role. If Fabbri is healthy and plays like he did the last 3 years for Detroit then we have zero need for Suter anymore.

Suter was equal for Raymond at last season 5-on-5. He just isn't having a PP role to shine on points. = Let's hate and bash the guy!

It's time for YOU to open your freaking eyes, watch the games, watch the stats and stop that damn hate talk, which is not based on any on-ice effort.

Guy was even better at pre-season, and will be a lock for our NHL team. I quarantee it. I'm quite confident nobody of our current prospects can't beat him before Kasper arrives. Our coaching staff is not stupid and not tanking anymore, to make stupid decisions on purpose. They do the right thing and Suter is part of the plan. Just because he is outplaying guys.

Best will play, when the tank is over. Yzerman will find new homes for Veleno and Zadina, if they can't beat him or other better guys in front of them. He didn't stuck on Brett Connolly's at Tampa, same show will probably happen also at Detroit. Time to prepare for that and not handcuff yourselves on former 1st round picks, just because they are former 1st round picks, and someone has emotional connection for them.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Suter was equal for Raymond at last season 5-on-5. He just isn't having a PP role to shine on points. = Let's hate and bash the guy!

It's time for YOU to open your freaking eyes, watch the games, watch the stats and stop that damn hate talk, which is not based on any on-ice effort.

Guy was even better at pre-season, and will be a lock for our NHL team. I quarantee it. I'm quite confident nobody of our current prospects can't beat him before Kasper arrives. Our coaching staff is not stupid and not tanking anymore, to make stupid decisions on purpose. They do the right thing and Suter is part of the plan. Just because he is outplaying guys.

Best will play, when the tank is over. Yzerman will find new homes for Veleno and Zadina, if they can't beat him or other better guys in front of them. He didn't stuck on Brett Connolly's at Tampa, same show will probably happen also at Detroit. Time to prepare for that and not handcuff yourselves on former 1st round picks, just because they are former 1st round picks, and someone has emotional connection for them.

I did open my eyes to watch Suter who I was excited about signing last year, but after about the 30 game mark that excitement turned to disappointment pretty quick. It hurt watching how bad he was defensively, how often he would get pushed off the puck with ease from Joe Hickets sized players. How often he would lose his man on the back check. How often he would get overpowered down low in the corners. When he was on the powerplay he was god awful. Suter seems like the kind of guy that will be out of the NHL in a couple of seasons.

 

[The Zermanator]

Suter was equal for Raymond at last season 5-on-5. He just isn't having a PP role to shine on points. = Let's hate and bash the guy!

It's time for YOU to open your freaking eyes, watch the games, watch the stats and stop that damn hate talk, which is not based on any on-ice effort.

Guy was even better at pre-season, and will be a lock for our NHL team. I quarantee it. I'm quite confident nobody of our current prospects can't beat him before Kasper arrives. Our coaching staff is not stupid and not tanking anymore, to make stupid decisions on purpose. They do the right thing and Suter is part of the plan. Just because he is outplaying guys.

Best will play, when the tank is over. Yzerman will find new homes for Veleno and Zadina, if they can't beat him or other better guys in front of them. He didn't stuck on Brett Connolly's at Tampa, same show will probably happen also at Detroit. Time to prepare for that and not handcuff yourselves on former 1st round picks, just because they are former 1st round picks, and someone has emotional connection for them.

We'll see how the dominoes fall as far as which players end up rising to the top, but this is a refreshing change from the country club/retirement home atmosphere for the last decade of Holland's tenure. Yzerman doesn't suffer poor performance and if you're not cutting it you won't be sticking around long. Which is exactly as it should be.

 

[Frk It]

I did open my eyes to watch Suter who I was excited about signing last year, but after about the 30 game mark that excitement turned to disappointment pretty quick. It hurt watching how bad he was defensively, how often he would get pushed off the puck with ease from Joe Hickets sized players. How often he would lose his man on the back check. How often he would get overpowered down low in the corners. When he was on the powerplay he was god awful. Suter seems like the kind of guy that will be out of the NHL in a couple of seasons.

someone mentioned all this stuff when we signed him… forget who it was though.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Not a big fan of Berggren and Veleno being sent down. Veleno is in his D+5 season and didn't look entirely out of place in the NHL last year. You may as well let him move on to a team that will give him a shot. Choosing Suter and Erne over him and Berggren is only done when you've put yourself in a corner with your roster.

Edvinsson's brain isn't ready for the NHL yet, and the pace of the NHL game isn't going to let him learn. He needs a season in the AHL.

Veleno hasn't been sent down yet, There's a good chance that he and Soderblom could get sent down if they don't get meaningful minutes in Detroit. I don't see Lalonde scratching Suter when he's making $3,250,000 over Veleno. So either Yzerman has to trade Suter or Veleno gets sent down.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

someone mentioned all this stuff when we signed him… forget who it was though.

A chicago fan that warned us about their ex?

 

[MBH]

Veleno hasn't been sent down yet, There's a good chance that he and Soderblom could get sent down if they don't get meaningful minutes in Detroit. I don't see Lalonde scratching Suter when he's making $3,250,000 over Veleno. So either Yzerman has to trade Suter or Veleno gets sent down.

Yeah, he's on the outside looking in, and Lalonde made it clear if Veleno or Soderblom couldn't get meaningful roles in Detroit, they'd be in GR.

As of right now, my money is on Veleno in GR and Smith in Detroit (but not playing). I wonder, though, if you were Veleno, would you rather be in Detroit making NHL money to sit in the press box?
Or playing for $100,000 or whatever.

 

[NickH8]

Yeah, he's on the outside looking in, and Lalonde made it clear if Veleno or Soderblom couldn't get meaningful roles in Detroit, they'd be in GR.

As of right now, my money is on Veleno in GR and Smith in Detroit (but not playing). I wonder, though, if you were Veleno, would you rather be in Detroit making NHL money to sit in the press box?
Or playing for $100,000 or whatever.

I think most guys would rather be practicing with the team and being a part of the team. Maybe playing every now and then for injuries. Also 400k or whatever the difference is is nothing to sneeze at. Is it best for their development? I dunno, but I'm sure guys prefer that

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Suter was equal for Raymond at last season 5-on-5. He just isn't having a PP role to shine on points. = Let's hate and bash the guy!

It's time for YOU to open your freaking eyes, watch the games, watch the stats and stop that damn hate talk, which is not based on any on-ice effort.

Guy was even better at pre-season, and will be a lock for our NHL team. I quarantee it. I'm quite confident nobody of our current prospects can't beat him before Kasper arrives. Our coaching staff is not stupid and not tanking anymore, to make stupid decisions on purpose. They do the right thing and Suter is part of the plan. Just because he is outplaying guys.

Best will play, when the tank is over. Yzerman will find new homes for Veleno and Zadina, if they can't beat him or other better guys in front of them. He didn't stuck on Brett Connolly's at Tampa, same show will probably happen also at Detroit. Time to prepare for that and not handcuff yourselves on former 1st round picks, just because they are former 1st round picks, and someone has emotional connection for them.

Are... are you Pius Suter?

 

[lilidk]

that sounds like Soderblom, for now, has taken Zadina's spot.
.

Means nothing, my guess he will give all of them chance, before he made up his mind. My expectations ,we will see different look at the beginning of the season. It's easier to send Elmer and Joe to GR

 

[lilidk]

Not a big fan of Berggren and Veleno being sent down. Veleno is in his D+5 season and didn't look entirely out of place in the NHL last year. You may as well let him move on to a team that will give him a shot. Choosing Suter and Erne over him and Berggren is only done when you've put yourself in a corner with your roster.

Edvinsson's brain isn't ready for the NHL yet, and the pace of the NHL game isn't going to let him learn. He needs a season in the AHL.

Could trade coming, we have too many NHL ready forwards not enough defenseman.

 

[norrisnick]

Could trade coming, we have too many NHL ready forwards not enough defenseman.

We need to combine three of our wingers into a super winger. We're good on D, unless you're angling for a righty.

 

[MBH]

Could trade coming, we have too many NHL ready forwards not enough defenseman.

Defense
LD - Chariot, Maatta, Hagg
RD- Seider, Hronek, Lindstrom
Extra- Oesterle
Injured: Walman (getting closer) and Pysyk (January return)
Grand Rapids
LD: Edvinsson, Johansson, McIsaac, Sebrango, Viro
RD: Uh... Kampfer? Barton (injured)
--
Wings could trade a GR LD for an RD I guess.

But at this point, we've got a lot of bodies, especially on LD.

 

[Frk It]

Could trade coming, we have too many NHL ready forwards not enough defenseman.

No one wants to take on a mediocre player via trade at the beginning of the season when everyone is 100% healthy.

 

[waltdetroit]

The quality of the AHL has been below normal the past 2 years. This was due to covid and that every NHL team had many of their better players riding the taxi squad. AHL teams were giving out 2 week contract to players throughout the year. I do expect faster better on ice play this year.

 

[Oddbob]

Well guys, hate to tell you this, but Edvinsson is screwed. One guy here says so, and we know that means much more than hockey management of a professional hockey team. I am expecting management to announce any day now that Edvinsson has busted and is on the first boat back to Sweden!

 

[norrisnick]

I'll take things that were never said for $300, Alex.