Post-Game Talk: ECQF 4 | FLYERS (2) vs. Canadiens (0) | Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2020 | Flyers lead series 3-1

[deadhead]

Hagg is your typical #6/#7 replacement level D-man, he'll probably have a 10 year career, because we can go look at the AHL and see what a real AHL D-man looks like (Prosser and his friends, Brennan for years, Alt, etc.). Now the announcers really fluff Hagg which is irritating b/c we know better, but no reason to exaggerate in the other direction.

Ghost is currently a JAG, he's a 3rd pair guy on merit, he's not bad but he doesn't do much to move the needle right now. As Gudas and Folin have shown, nice metrics doesn't make you better than a 3rd pair guy. Now maybe he bounces back next year, but I hardly notice when he's on the ice these days.

I'm far more concerned with how TK has regressed this summer, I thought he turned the corner.
And I still waiting for AV to figure out how to use Hayes, maybe we have to wait for Lindblom to return.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hagg is your typical #6/#7 replacement level D-man, he'll probably have a 10 year career, because we can go look at the AHL and see what a real AHL D-man looks like (Prosser and his friends, Brennan for years, Alt, etc.). Now the announcers really fluff Hagg which is irritating b/c we know better, but no reason to exaggerate in the other direction.

Ghost is currently a JAG, he's a 3rd pair guy on merit, he's not bad but he doesn't do much to move the needle right now. As Gudas and Folin have shown, nice metrics doesn't make you better than a 3rd pair guy. Now maybe he bounces back next year, but I hardly notice when he's on the ice these days.

I'm far more concerned with how TK has regressed this summer, I thought he turned the corner.
And I still waiting for AV to figure out how to use Hayes, maybe we have to wait for Lindblom to return.

Hagg is less than a JAG.

Hagg is 9th on our depth chart in terms of actual quality but our coaches are blinded by his one effective hit per game to notice. Before long York will make him #10. He's not a #6/7. We've shown you all the stats and you have no rebuttal for them. He is an AHL caliber player.

The problem with your player evaluations is that you don't start by actually evaluating the player himself; you start by taking a management or coaching decision and deciding you'll say or do whatever it takes to justify it. That's why you've ended up being wrong on so many of these.

 

[Hanover Fist]

At this point I’m looking forward to moving on from both and bringing in a new horse.

 

[Striiker]

Can someone explain the point of lying on here?

Isn't it kinda pointless to lie to people who are watching the games and know that what's being said isn't true?

Genuine question.

 

[achdumeingute]

Can someone explain the point of lying on here?

Isn't it kinda pointless to lie to people who are watching the games and know that what's being said isn't true?

Genuine question.

if someone believes their position based on their interpretation of "data", its not lying.

 

[Striiker]

if someone believes their position based on their interpretation of "data", its not lying.

He doesn't believe it. He's just defending this staff and the previous one. Like Beef said, he just takes a decision the staff makes and then does anything he can to justify it, even if it means making up nonsense.

For example, he literally said that Hagg is as good of a scorer in the offensive zone as Ghost at ES. Nobody actually believes that.

 

[achdumeingute]

He doesn't believe it. He's just defending this staff and the previous one. Like Beef said, he just takes a decision the staff makes and then does anything he can to justify it, even if it means making up nonsense.

For example, he literally said that Hagg is as good of a scorer in the offensive zone as Ghost at ES. Nobody actually believes that.

well, he did reference data to support his position on Hagg in the OZ (not in this current post, like yesterday or something iirc).

 

[Starat327]

Bull.

Ghost hasn't done anything special for two years now. Even on the PP.
He showed a little more this summer, but not enough to think he's the Ghost of 2017-18.
And if he's a JAG at this point, then why get your panties in a bunch over Ghost v Hagg?

It's like complaining about the difference between Rolling Rock and Budweiser.

I'd give Ghost one more shot next year to increase his trade value before the ED, but at this point I'm more interested in Zamula and York.
Nor do I have any attachment to Hagg, other than a cheap #7 D-man.
However, if we're going to roll out York/Zamula as our 3LHD, I'd like to obtain another big RHD with some skills.

I do think size matters, not to an extreme, but you'd like to roll out at least one full sized player on each D-pair.

I dont know why youre excited about Zamula or York - theyll have no playoff experience next year, so even if we make the playoffs, they wont be able to help us, because rookies cant do that.

 

[kudymen]

When I have a toothache, I go to a dentist, not some guy on the Internet. When my roof leaks, I call a roofer, not some guy on the Internet. If there’s blue smoke coming out of the tailpipe of my truck, I call a mechanic, not some guy on the Internet. See what I’m saying?

Don’t think of it as “authority”, man. Think of it as knowledge, wisdom, and experience.

More wisdom plz